What is God’s Heaven or plan at the end? Would you like it?

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What is God’s Heaven or plan at the end? Would you like it?
Do you have any idea of what God’s plan is for us after death?

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There is no possible way for anyone having even the slightest chance at knowing the right answer to that question.Even if they guess correctly, how could they possibly determine if they are right?It is therefore a total waste of time and thought to contemplate it for any longer than it takes to come to the first two conclusions stated above.Anybody who thinks they know is just a) making it up and choosing to believe it, or b) repeating what somebody told them and choosing to believe it.Sorry if I'm a killjoy.

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Not only do Muslims get to experience the presence of God, but they get to engage in all sorts of illicit pleasures. So in answer to your question, if this is what heaven is, then yes I would like it !

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See, I've never understood the male attraction to virgins.If you know what you are doing, it would be incredibly boring, since the virgin doesn't know what they are doing and doesn't know what you are doing either.....oh, I think I understand now.

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Most theistic believes(did you mean "beliefs"?) are unverifiable, and so their truth or falsity is relative.

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I must admit to not understanding how a belief being unverifiable renders the truth or falsity of that belief relative.Please explain.

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Like many things, rationale (did you mean "rationality"?) is relative to belief.

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It is my understanding that for something to be a rational belief it must be verifiable. It also must be logical.

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The rational remains the same even between these instances.

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No, there are great differences between the man donating a kidney to his son and the idea that a supernatural being impregnated a human female with His offspring in order for the world to be "saved" in some way after his offspring was tortured and killed.The first scenario can be undertaken with no requirement that any of the parties have faith without knowing exactly what the risks are. They can know exactly what is going to happen to them at every moment along the way. They can speak to others who have gone through the same operation and recovery. There is a great deal of positive, verifiable evidence to work with.By contrast, the second scenario is just one baseless assumption after another. It is based on a lot of "if X is true, and if Y is true, and if A is true, and if B is true, then M is a rational belief."Well, sure. That makes belief in the Invisible Pink Unicorn a 'rational belief'. It makes any sort of baseless thing one wants to hang their hat on a "rational belief".In other words, you have rendered the term "rational" to be mostly meaningless. Edited by nator, : No reason given.Edited by nator, : No reason given.

1) What on earth led you to believe I am a fundamentalist Christian?2) I like to think that I have a decent reading comprehension ability. I did get a nearly perfect score, years and years ago, on the verbal portion of the SAT. Nevertheless, even after careful reading of your reply to me, I still don't have a clue what the heck you are trying to say, overall. I get the general idea that you disagree, but if asked to put why you disagree in my own words, I wouldn't be able to do it.Perhaps a bit less of the flowery prose, a lot less assumption about what my position is, and in general, much more simple, clear explanations of your position would help my obviously waning reading comprehension powers.

See how Crashfrog just wrote?I understand him perfectly.Please write more like Crashfrog....or Ringo, or Archer, or Percy, or RAZD, or Omniverous, or anglagard, or Coragyps, or Trixie, or any one of a number of posters on this forum who can express themselves, well, much more clearly that you do.

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I think the problem here people try too hard to treat this like we're in some kind of poetry class. I think the problem would be solved if we try to write more like how we talk. I certainly can't imagine McFall or Bailey talk the way they write.

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Exactly, which is pretty much what I requested of Bailey. Less flowery prose and more plain English.I received in return, as crashfrog put it, "smug superiority". Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

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Read the book! It tells you all about it. In fact it's even written by God Himself! (I am speaking of the Bible, as no other religious books have a perfect case for faith)

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Which Bible?

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I hope I haven’t pissed you and nator off past the point of reconciliation. I’d hate to lose any of you folks. And I’m not kidding.

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It takes an awful lot more than this little display to piss me off.If you must know, very few posts here at EvC have much effect upon my emotions.You, whom I have only seen here for a day or two, only replied to a few times, and who's posts I still don't understand in the least, have really no effect on me at all. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

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The KJV, the other ones have mucho problems.

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Which KJV?

So, which KJV is the "correct" version, Vash?

Out of body-type NDE's can be induced with ketamine, a short-acting hallucinogenic, dissociative anaesthetic, you know.Read more about the experiments, and about the history and state of current research on NDE's hereAn excerpt:

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This is a straw man.

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No it isn't.I have in no way misrepresented anyone's argument, then argued against it.What I have done is brought in scientific evidence that calls into question the claim that NDE's and OOB experiences are positive evidence of the spiritual realm.

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Skepdic.com? Nice reference.

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It is a very good reference. Being skeptical of fantastical claims is a good thing, Vashgun. Remember what happened to you in the UFO/Aliens thread, when you weren't skeptical of that YouTube video? You let yourself appear to be foolish and gullible.

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We could also assume that due to,

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that these altered states of consciousness are in fact catalysts to releasing the spirit and soul into a spiritual realm.

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No, we really cannot assume that. We cannot disprove it, but what we can say is that there is a predictable physical basis for such experiences.

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Also, it is stated that the NDEr's have life changing effects afterward which your skepdic goes on to hand wave with a "where's the evidence" ploy.

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Having children can also be a life changing event. Also, losing a loved one, having a bad acid trip, going to prison, going to war, and being raped, for example, can all have profound, life changing effects upon people, too.None of those events are evidence of a soul or spirit, but that human beings can change their attitudes, sometimes radically, in response to experiences and how we deal with and interpret them.

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Even if the evidence was written in the sky in big orange letters you misanthropes still wouldn't believe.

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Not true.I just have much stricter standards of evidence than you do.