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Author Topic:   What is God’s Heaven or plan at the end? Would you like it?
Stile
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Message 3 of 242 (415479)
08-10-2007 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
08-10-2007 8:28 AM


I don't know
Greatest I am writes:
What is God’s Heaven or plan at the end?
I don't know. I'm not even sure if one exists or not. It's also possible that a God could exist, yet there's still no plan for the end.
Do you have any idea of what God’s plan is for us after death?
No. And I believe that no one does. Especially those who emphatically state that they actually do know. (They make me laugh, actually )
I live this life the best I know how. Trying to be as tolerant, kind, generous and helpful as I can. Any God that doesn't have these ideals as a priority isn't worthy of having followers anyway. So I may not know what's in store, but I'm definitely not worried about it in any way. I live this life in a way such that I'm fully prepared for any judgement, or a final ending, or any possible experience. I'll die one day, on that day I'll get the answers. To quote Peter Pan (from the movie Hook, at least): "To die would be a great adventure." In fact, you can say a part of me looks forward to death.
Can you think of a scenario where God’s Shangri-La somehow takes care of boredom.
If God is omnipotent, can't he create a uptopia without boredom?
I wonder if boredom isn't so much a problem of time, but more of a problem with attitude. Isn't the issue against boredom along the lines of "given infinite time, one would eventually do everything and there'd be nothing left to do..." But, well, there's always one higher number to count to. Which tells me there's always something left for one to do.
Infinite time doesn't allow one to do everything. It simply allows one to infinitely go on doing the same thing (counting, for example). Yet infinite time still doesn't allow anyone to reach "infinity" while counting, they just never have to stop, that's all.
And if I can think up one simple example here, I'd expect there'd be plenty more one could think up given an infinite amount of time to do so
What does heaven look like to you?
I'm not sure. But I do believe it would be a completely different universe. Perhaps no restrictions on mobility, or health, or life-span. But I really don't know. A place where parasitic-type life forms are not necessary, and therefore don't exist. Meh, then it starts to sound too easy, which, well... would remove all the challenge. I always seem to run into contradictions when I imagine "a utopia". So maybe it isn't a utopia? It would be very exciting to have more time to explore this universe and the intelligence included within it, or any other universe, really.
Is it corporeal?
Possibly. But I don't think it needs to be.
Do we join Jesus there in our bodies?
I really doubt that very much.
Do our bodies go to a new earth?
I really don't see our bodies as very important. I see our mind's as the most important. If my thought-patterns can somehow get transferred into another more-reliable type of transportation, I'd be happy. If that's impossible, and we keep our bodies, I'd still be happy.

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Stile
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From: Ontario, Canada
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Message 7 of 242 (415533)
08-10-2007 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Greatest I am
08-10-2007 4:14 PM


I like that
Greatest I am writes:
I think that learning will have a curve that may be endless.
That sounds like an excellent description for what I would call "heaven"
Also, it's fair to note that by "learning" I don't only mean academic study. There's plenty to learn by simply meeting new people. And, well, as long as people keep dying and entering the afterlife... I don't see how learning could ever really stop.
Can you imagine how long it would take you to introduce yourself to everyone on earth? And then everyone who's ever lived and died before? And then everyone who's yet to live and die? Doesn't sound very boring to me.

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