What is God’s Heaven or plan at the end? Would you like it?

That view always reminds me of descriptions of a heroin-high. It can't be explained, supposedly, to somebody who has never experienced it. Once experienced, you can never get enough of it.There's a downside to heroin, of course.

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Christ was the Annointed One, the human being a. k. a. Jesus.The "word that became flesh" in John 1 is not Jesus. Jesus was the flesh inhabited by the "word". There was no Jesus (Christ) "before the world came into existence".

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Umm... I don't see where anything you said is a response to what I said. Jesus was on earth 2000 years ago and is (presumably) at the Father's side today. What has that got to do with Him being around "before the world came into existence"?And what has Him being around before the world came into existence got to do with "the end"?

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You recall wrong.God destroyed the earth once with a flood and He threatens to destroy it again in the "end time". Why would He destroy perfection?You really need to drop the idiotic notion of "perfection". It's a useless concept.Edited by Ringo, : Added signature.

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What makes you think God wants to be "followed?"And don't avoid the question: If the world was perfect, why would God threaten to destroy it in the "end time"?

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If it was vulnerable to sin, it could not have been a perfect world.

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God developed a philosophy?God wasted time and energy? How is that even possible? Clearly, almost nobody believes He said that (or meant that). Almost nobody who claims to be His "follower" does that. Are you saying that if we apply what we have learned on earth, we don't have to go to heaven? That would be nice.

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That's not true, of course. The final say on standards always goes to the customer. Of course. Even if God's ideals had any relevance, you have no way of knowing what they are.

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Obviously it's a work describing man's philosophy about God. Following Jesus means following our philosophy about Jesus. "Following Jesus" would be exactly the same if there was no Jesus.

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God has provided free will to choose between good and evil. The knowledge to make wise/useful choices comes culturally. Maybe a small bit of it comes from the Bible.Choices between good and evil have nothing to do with "perfection". Don't confuse the path with the goal. There can be a path to perfection even if the goal is not attainable. There might be no end to the path, but the journey is still worthwhile.

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I don't know where you're seeing me agree with you. I'm saying that your concept of perfection is idiotic and of no value to the topic.

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Apparently you don't have children. There are some things that can be passed down from generation to generation and some that can not.You can tell your children about Disney World but you can't give them the experience. They have to go themselves.You can teach your children to read, but you can't tell them what to think about what they read. You can teach them to walk, but you can't control where they go.They won't learn from your mistakes, only their own.Every generation has to find its own answers and every individual has to find his own answers. So there's no excuse for God not doling out answers.Since He doesn't tell us explicitly what His plan is, it seems probable that He has none.World without end, forever. Amen.

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But truth is not. Every generation has to learn its own truth.You haven't responded to my post at all. You made the claim that God doesn't give us "the answers" because we could pass them on intact to our children. I countered that we can never pass on "truths" to our children, so there is no excuse for God not to give "the answers" one generation at a time.I also suggested that God's reluctance/failure to give "the answers" might be an indication that He doesn't have any - i.e. that He doesn't have a "plan". (That was my attempt to steer toward the topic.)Edited by Ringo, : Changed verb from "can" to "is" to correspond with quote.Edited by Ringo, : Changed "their" to "there".

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That's not my point at all. I'm talking about the transmission of truth from one generation to the next, not the "truth value" of that truth. We can transmit facts, like state capitals, and we can transmit skills, like driving.But we can't transmit curiosity or empathy or generosity. We can only hope that our children pick up those qualities somehow, from us or from somebody else. Exactly. They may find it later for themselves, but they don't "learn" it from you. The best you can do is be an example. I'm not trying to change your thinking. I'm trying to show the lurkers that your thinking is not well thought out. My point, once more, is that God could tell us His plan in great detail without robbing the next generations of their oppurtunity to learn it. No matter how clearly any of us thinks he understands God's plan, it isn't possible to communicate that understanding infallibly. You demonstrate that with every post.

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