What is God’s Heaven or plan at the end? Would you like it?

Topic: What is God’s Heaven or plan at the end? Would you like it?Read the book! It tells you all about it. In fact it's even written by God Himself! (I am speaking of the Bible, as no other religious books have a perfect case for faith)Yes, I will like it. Some will not.

The KJV, the other ones have mucho problems.http://www.avpublications.com/avnew/downloads/PDF/q1.pdf
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Yessir, read "Visions of Marietta Davis," it is a fascinating account of life after death that correlates with the biblical (KJV) perfectly. It gives a clearer view. Definitely worth checking out.http://www.whatsaiththescripture.com/....Marietta.Davis.html
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http://www.angelfire.com/tx3/lawyue/pilate.htmThe book goes into depth of how life here on earth was originally supposed to be a training ground for spirits. (sort of). There would be an evolution, so to speak, of never ending attainments. We will keep moving up. But this world has become static and therefore dead. Instead of trying to learn Godly things (morals) people learn unimportavnt destructie things (ToE).Apparently there are many different levels of Heaven, as we all have probably heard somewhere along the line. Humans from earth will go to a newly created (my inference) valley that Jesus had prepared before they go into infancy tutelage where they will be trained to live in the spiritual. Morals and thought seem to have heavy consequences in this realm. These are the essence of spiritual matters. If someone lacks desire to turn from lust, or greed, they can not possibly remain with perfect beings.This is an small overview of the Marietta Davis book I think everyone should read, I don't do it justice. It pretty much answers every question I have ever had about life after death.To directly answer the question, I like it all, because with God all things are possible.

When you bring God down to your level, it doesn't represent the God your speaking for. How do you know things will even be remotely the same? Boredom is a state of mind, not reply to stimulus. I imagine, with God all things will be possible. (like He said)

No, faith is a matter of putting belief into action. Once God comes into your life, it becomes rather obvious and belief in things of a spiritual nature start leaning farther away from a religion and into the dimension of reality as they are slowly combined through the will of God.Morals and thoughts are the essence of what you are and what you are to become. Look at the ten commandments. Why is lusting after a woman a crime to God? There isn't any physical problems with undressing a woman with your mind. When over abuse of lusting manifests you can have social issues like rape, but is this the key issue? I would say no. They issue seems to be what spiritual ramifications are giving power by lust. If this life was truly meant to be a proving ground for young spirits then nothing has changed except the level of difficulty. Now sin is abundant and it becomes increasingly more difficult to differentiate between good and evil.What makes you think that if you had a certain perspective and moral set, that it would change with death? If you hate people today, and tommorrow you die, then what would change in the life energy? We have been warned of the neccesity of changing our minds towards inclination of good. When you die, you will go where you are inclined towards. I suggest you read Marietta Davis to get a better picture of the cause and effect of the after life.

Yes, the Bible is God's word. We may not be able to fully understand the experience of death, however to say that it is all conjecture is to discredit the evidence of eyewitness accounts. There are so many with such similar experiences that it would be folly to not digest the implications.
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF_NDEs.htmIf we are going to die, and there is a after life, then there is a God. And if there is a God, then we had better start to understand what he wants us to do. And that is to turn from sin, and love each other. While we undertake this seemingly simple task, our whole perspective changes, along with our thoughts and morals. And we begin to have the Christ consciousness which is our ticket to heaven and beyond. Why worry about the after life? Because if we don't we could be destined for death.

This is an assertion of truth, not truth. Evolutionists will disagree with you on this, as will I. Physical reality, we can possibly know. Spiritual reality we might not be able to understand now. Yes, if someone sees a flying object in the air and there are no reported flight plans allocated to this object, then we should listen to the testimony. However, there are many quacks out there, but there are also people who have no motive to lie and would not lie about what they have se This en. can be related to NDE's as well. Why are you so quick to dismiss phenomena like this out of hand? I bet if you saw a UFO or an alien or angel, you would be at the front line defending your case. Shoe on the other foot type thing./

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So, which KJV is the "correct" version, Vash?

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These people obviously did just that. Had an experience outside of their brain and body. Which gives credence to the idea of non-materialism related to information and memory. Your brain seems to be not the only thing that records information. I agree that relating an out of body experience would lack the correct emphases to correctly gauge what it means to die. However, the stories of NDEr's is not open to interpretation. They tell the stories, you listen or read them. What's to interpret besides what the implications are? That is a nice thought...but in reality that is impossible. You have greed, malice, lust, envy, etc. Holding people back from experiencing and sharing true love. A naive look into the future must be a negative suggestion because it doesn't accept the reality of sin. The reality is we need God in our lives. We obviously have let things get to a point where there is no redemption without an arbitrary objective Father. That is the hope of salvation, that we can live in Jesus and not have to be subjected to the sin nature of this world. Much better to look into the after life as a starting point in eternity than and ending in this world.

This is a straw man. Skepdic.com? Nice reference. We could also assume that due to,

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Similar experiences can be induced through electrical stimulation of the temporal lobe (and hence of the hippocampus) during neurosurgery for epilepsy, with high carbon dioxide levels (hypercarbia), and in decreased cerebral perfusion resulting in local cerebral hypoxia as in rapid acceleration during training of fighter pilots, or as in hyperventilation followed by Valsalva manoeuvre. Ketamine-induced experiences resulting from blockage of the NMDA receptor, and the role of endorphin, serotonin, and enkephalin have also been mentioned, as have near-death-like experiences after the use of LSD, psilocarpine, and mescaline. These induced experiences can consist of unconsciousness, out-of-body experiences, and perception of light or flashes of recollection from the past. These recollections, however, consist of fragmented and random memories unlike the panoramic life-review that can occur in NDE.

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that these altered states of consciousness are in fact catalysts to releasing the spirit and soul into a spiritual realm. Also, it is stated that the NDEr's have life changing effects afterward which your skepdic goes on to hand wave with a "where's the evidence" ploy. Even if the evidence was written in the sky in big orange letters you misanthropes still wouldn't believe.

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The world embarrasses me, and I cannot dream that this watch exists and has no watchmaker.
Voltaire (1694-1778)

If I knew what God's plan was, I would be God and I wouldn't need to brush my teeth. This is a really interesting point if we could take it further. All of the laws of God (OT,NT) if followed could hypothetically bring about perfection. No one so far has done this, except Jesus. He did it for us, so as to be a perfect sacrifice for our sins. Which Jar will disagree with...I think I'll look for or start a thread on this topic. Someone else should propose an answer to this, I have looked into the question of what this exactly means and I am still unsure. Theistic Evolutionists believe so. I expect the OT/NT God to be who he says he is. Regardless of how life was created, it is still amazing that we can have conversations about abstract ideas. Arrogance is what started the destruction of man. Satan wanted to become like God, then convinced Eve that she could become like God if she disobeyed God. Perhaps, we think too highly of ourselves. As far as I know, the bible is the only religion that tries to limit the human potential, which is utter domination by a few. I notice in life that I can usually classify people into two categories. Those who want to change the world, and those who don't care. I always find myself asking the same questions: Why do all these people I meet want to change the world? Why is it that people always try to make a perfect first impression? At first these may seem unrelated, however I think it speaks to the heart of the issue. It is some how innate and/or metaphysically obvious that the world is not right. I know that sounds simplistic but, people have a desire to look perfect when they are not. Just like the world, where people desire perfection yet understand they do not have it so they must change the world instead of themselves. Which means changing others. And even though this is an impossible task, it seems, mentally, more plausible.Furthermore, to expand on this God complex that we humans have, why would we need to serve anybody if we were God's? I have seen no power demonstrated by humans other than manipulation to further a community. Perhaps God took a step back and is showing us that we can't do anything without Him. To me we obviously cannot.Edited by Ihategod, : No reason given.

Good point