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Greatest I am writes: I guess we shall see! What is God’s Heaven or plan at the end?Phat writes: Would you like it? Personally,I believe that God will interact with humanity at the end, which I assume you mean our physical death.As to His plan, I know what traditions have said, but I personally believe that we will be given greater responsibilities based on our efforts here. The only other view that I could guess is that we will cease to exist. Those are the only options I see forthcoming.Phat writes: I have no problem with God running the show or being in control. I may gripe a bit if i have to do a lot of work, however. It has always been my habit to ride on Dads coattails. Who know? Before I die, I may have learned enough to graduate.  Do you have any idea of what God’s plan is for us after death?Phat writes: Nope. I can only trust that it is better than anything we could come up with! Utopian thinkers say that a utopia is impossible because of boredom. They indicate that boredom kills any utopia. Can you think of a scenario where God’s Shangri-La somehow takes care of boredom?Phat writes:
What does heaven look like to you? I certain hope that its not boring, but its not like i create myown reality, is it? Would a hell be boring? Phat writes:
Is it corporeal. Do we join Jesus there in our bodies. Do our bodies go to a new earth? Peaceful yet full of boundless optimism, excitement, and energy! No hangups to work on any more. Nobody that you dislike. Thats about it so far....Phat writes:
What is God’s plan? I believe strongly that our souls/and/or spirits are in a communion with Jesus...but its just my belief! Phat writes: Would you like it? Step One: Honesty. Step Two: Duty. Step 3: Acceptance and surrender of Ego. IMHO Edited by Phat, :  Edited by Phat, : another phat mistake
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Truth is relative. I used to believe that truth was absolute, and I still believe that God exists and that His truth is absolute, but none of us are God.
God never created an evil Satan. God created a freewill Lucifer who chose to disobey, thus fulfilling the potential rebellion that God allowed for. In other words, in order for an angelic being to have the option of being like God, they would need their own domain out of communion with Gods domain. This new domain was called Hell. (No, Jar...I cannot support any of this...its simply my belief! sheesh!) Humans were also given a choice. In this sense, I agree with Greatest I am when he says quote:By this string of logic, Hell was never created for humans. Humans only end up in Hell by choosing to reject God. Then, by default, they end up in the second option. (The anti-heaven, if you prefer.) Keep in mind that some people consider the concept of heaven to be quite boring and would imagine themselves preferring the wild and crazy party like atmosphere of a freewill hell, where people are not slaves to some authority figure! Evidently, an angel cannot change their mind. Perhaps it is because they live in a timeless reality so that whatever they are or think at any given moment is the same as what they think at any other given moment. I dunno.  This would be why 1/3 of the angels became fallen and why 2/3 stayed true to their Creator and why there is no jumping from side to side going on. If it were humans, they most certainly would be waffling...being little demons one moment and repentant obedient angels the next moment! We humans live in a reality known as time. It matters not if the timespan is 7 days, 6000 years, 20,000 years, 5 billion years, or 18 billion years. The fact is, we live in the reality of time. A creation that had eternal life would not be subject to time. A creation that died would be subject to time. now on to some of my favorite scriptures! 
NIV writes:
In other words, God speaks of an eternal reality. Some argue that Alpha is first and thus had a beginning, while Omega is last and thus represents an ending. This is not necessarily what is meant, however. Rev 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Think of it like this: I am the chicken and the egg who is, and who was, and who is to come. Now let me ask you: Which came first? The chicken? or the egg? A creationist would assert that Creators always come before creations, thus the chicken is the correct answer, as it created the egg!
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This quite clearly shows us Jesus Christ. He also was in the beginning with God, he died a human death, (thus implying that he was at one time in the reality of time as we are) and yet he is eternal!
Rev 1:17-18-- When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades. NIV writes:
Apparently some sort of a proud and evil creature.
Rev 13:1--And I saw a beast coming out of the sea.NIV writes: The Beast once was a proud angel. He now is not. Is not what? We have several theories: Rev 17:8-- The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.1) Is not God. God is. The Beast is not. 2) Is not real. Makes sense. The devil is not real either, unless you act like him! 3) ....and yet is for those whose names are not written in the book of life. To me, this means that we create our own reality to some extent yet we cannot create our own Deity. A Deity by definition creates you...you do not create it. Convictions are very different from intentions. Convictions are something God gives us that we have to do. Intentions are things that we ought to do, but we never follow through with them. * * * * * * * * * * “The world has achieved brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants.”--General Omar Bradley * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Homer Simpson: Sometimes, Marge, you just have to go with your gut! Marge: You *always* go with your gut! How about for once you listen to your brain?
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Ringo writes: Its debatable, Ringo.
The "word that became flesh" in John 1 is not Jesus. Jesus was the flesh inhabited by the "word". There was no Jesus (Christ) "before the world came into existence".NIV writes:
so now for some questions and comments:
John 1:1-18- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God- children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God. 1The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.'" From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known. Ringo writes: Perhaps not in human form yet...but consider this explanation, and bear with me as I attempt it. There was no Jesus (Christ) "before the world came into existence". Did you ever watch Lets Make A Deal? The contestants ultimately had a choice between three doors. The contestants were thus given a choice to select what would become their ultimate prize. Imagine if Lets Make A Deal only had one door at the end. Nobody would be choosing their prize. They would have been given a door that they must have....unless they chose to run out of the studio...right? The Tree of the knowledge of good and evil was, in effect, the realization that there were two doors to choose from. In fact, there already were two trees, but nothing was told to anyone about the Tree of Life. The Tree of Knowledge could be said to be the reality of choice. The Tree of The knowledge of choice. moving along in History, Israel needed a leader. Moses came to the rescue, and led them to the promised land.
NIV writes: For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known. Why would the scripture say that God the One and Only was at the Father's side and has made him known? Who did this character make known?Furthermore, it says that nobody has ever seen God except the One and Only. If Jesus never existed before He was a human baby, how could He have ever seen His Father?  IMB, atheists run out of the studio! They simply do not believe that there is enough evidence to listen to Monty Hall. Furthermore, many people like to keep their right to choose. They don't want one way. They don't want the One and Only. They want to eternally have the choice to think freely. Edited by Phat, : added features and jabberwocky!
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pbee writes: Regardless of what the scriptures say, the world is definitely out of sorts. We can observe our own inherent awareness where even innocent children can demonstrate the ability to differentiates what our hearts and minds seek in contrast to the state of things. I see and accept the symbolism of God as Father, but as to what responsibility this Father has versus the responsibility of His spiritual offspring, I'm uncertain.
Pbee writes: Perhaps the question is whether we are capable of self correction or whether we truly need to be restored.
Mankind has lost it's balance, and it has been written that it will be restored. Until someone can prove otherwise, I believe it to be true.
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