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themasterdebator
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Message 281 of 384 (515613)
07-19-2009 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by DevilsAdvocate
07-19-2009 7:28 PM


Re: Double standards?
She is either a functional sociopath (meaning she minimally conforms to the the warped moral standards dictated by her religion in order to get by, but in reality has no cognizance of societal standards of right and wrong) or she has a severe case of moral compartimantilization in which she abides by one set of rules and standards in the real world and a different set when talking about her faith in the Bible. Trying to see the best in people I would hope for the latter but the end result is the same, a lack of rationality and critical thinking and self-righteous condonense of religious double standards.
I am inclined to go for the second view because I think many Christians do this. They compartmentalize different parts of the Bible based on what they think is important. The New Testament is generally heavily emphasized, with the Old Testament having much less weight, and large parts of the old testament never being mentioned(My church, for instance, while using a broad range of NT gospel readings, was very selective on the Old Testament, many of the stories such as these are never mentioned) and when I went to Catholic School, these sort of verses were ignored.
I think this is what Peg is doing. She is placing heaving emphasis on parts of the Bible which show God as merciful and just, and placing minimal importance on the parts that show God ordering the murder of children and condoning slavery and rape. Note that when she encounters an action not even she can justify(the murder of children even though she did try, she admitted she did not have an answer later on), she still refuses to admit it is wrong and instead decides there is some magical answer that would make it okay.
Peg: There isn't, as a perfect being, God is not just going to make a "good" choice, he would make the best possible choice. And the best possible choice would involve protecting the lives of innocent children.

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themasterdebator
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Message 295 of 384 (515875)
07-22-2009 1:24 AM
Reply to: Message 292 by Peg
07-21-2009 5:11 AM


Re: Double standards?
Slavery existed long before the mosiac Law so you cant blame God for it. He kindly regulated slavery amongst the Isrealites so that slaves had some rights and when the Israelites followed his laws, slaves fared pretty well. they were free from working on the sabbath like other isrealites for instance.(Exodus 20:10)
First, I am sorry, I dont find being potentially beaten and lashed at any time as "fared pretty well". maybe you missed the pictures uploaded earlier. Do you think someone whose back looks like that is faring pretty well?
Second, Peg, this is highly illogical. Thats like saying you could not blame the US Government for allowing slavery in the 1800s. Slaves in the US had rights too. Sunday was generally a day of rest. There masters could not arbitrarily kill them. It all follows the same principles God established for slavery in the Israelites. In fact, as was pointed out earlier. Southerners would cite the Scripture pointing out that God had "regulated" slavery but not "abolished" it, so slavery was right by Gods laws. Can you please explain the difference between slavery in the US and slavery in Israel?

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themasterdebator
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Message 296 of 384 (515876)
07-22-2009 1:36 AM
Reply to: Message 294 by Perdition
07-21-2009 3:12 PM


Re: same old
so why would I repent, except for save myself the torment of Hell, which again, doesn't seem like real repentance.
This is probably the most popular reason for repenting. Why do you think preachers commonly threaten people with hell/non-entry to heaven if they do not repent their wicked ways? Even Jesus uses the tactic occasionally when threatening the wicked. It should most definitely be a legitimate reason to repent when even Jesus attempts to get people to repent by these means.
Edited by themasterdebator, : No reason given.

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