Were there Dinosaurs in the Bible?

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buzsaw replied
LOL, so long as you remember how you harp at us that chance is not science.

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In this case it is. It's yet another great example of macro-evolution.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Our evidence for the Biblical Exodus and a lot more is greater by far than your so called evidence for this. Apples and spinach. Reptiles to reptiles more scientific analysis than intelligent humans to brute beast. So why did all dinosaurs, big and little all die off and the crocs, as well as so many other things survive the same catastrophe that wiped out ALL dinosaurs? My hypothesis offers a more likely answer to that in light of so much else which lends credence to the historicity of the Biblical record. Make that a few. I didn't say egg laying was unique to reptiles. It is however unusual for mamals and significant, imo.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------This message has been edited by buzsaw, 08-18-2004 10:05 AM

Dinosaurs aren't reptiles, Buz. For one thing, no reptile is warm-blooded.Endothermia isn't just a matter of hooking up a space heater, Buz. That takes considerable metabolic and hormonal machinery to accomplish and take advantage of.Humans and chimpanzees, for example, are considerably more similar than any dinosaur is to a reptile. As I said, not all dinoaurs were wiped out. The small ones survived. Ultimately, as their environments were encroached by the much more successful mammals, the only dinosaurs who survived were the ones who enjoyed the advantages of feathers and flight. Well, you did attempt to employ it to classify dinosaurs as reptiles. Since you agree that oviparity is not unique to reptiles, how could that be evidence that dinosaurs are reptiles?

Dinosaurs were/are reptiles, of course. Just as humans and apes are mammals.What you need to be pointing out is that crocodillia aren't dinosaurs however they are both in the same class and are fairly closely related. They aren't as closely related as humans and the great apes though.

Why do you keep on keeping on with this falacy, CF? We've gone over this before and now are you going to debate Ned on this too? This ought to be interesting. To compare intelligent humankind to ignorant brute beasts who seldom walk on two legs is a real stretch. Comparing reptile to reptile is not as much, given that the Biblical historical record accounts for the changes which would have been effected when they were cursed. That's pure conjecture which is no more substantiated than my hypothesis.

Because it's not fallacious, it's true. Dinosaurs are not reptiles. Reptiles are cold-blooded; dinosaurs are not. As I recall, you abandonded the thread where we were "going over this". Ned, to my knowledge, has not disagreed. Dinosaurs are not reptiles. Actually it's a conclusion substantiated by a wieght of evidence from taxonomy and molecular phylogenetics.What molecular evidence do you have for your conjecture?

Used a few emotionally charged words there Buz. How many world wars have the great apes started? LOL Not so sure which are the brutes.So what makes you think that dinosaurs were in the Bible?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

They weren't, though.No more than birds and mammals are reptiles, or mammals, reptiles, and birds are all invertebrates.Birds and dinosaurs are archosaurs.This message has been edited by crashfrog, 08-18-2004 11:28 AM

Of course, the biggest problem with your conjecture is that it's contradicted by the evidence.If God changed all the dinosaurs into today's reptiles, why are there dinosaur fossils?If God cursed the dinosaurs into today's reptiles, why would that curse involve two additional toes?

Well, he did , unfortunately Buz doesn't understand that I'm not agreeing with him either. He managed to miss that.We have two classes (right?) mammals and reptiles. Within those we have lower taxa. Dinosaurs and crocs are closely related within the reptillia.

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...birds and crocodiles are more closely related to each other than they are to lepidosaurs (snakes and lizards...

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(from ADW: Reptilia: INFORMATION )So if Buz thinks that a snake is a cursed dinosaur then he has humans and apes being much closer together than that.

Why is it that you are incapable of understanding that there once existed reptiles which were allegedly warm blooded? We call them dinosaurs. There comes a time when we all quit each and every thread we've ever been involved in. For me it was time and this is a good examply of why it often becomes futile to debate with you. Oh, but he does disagree. As I said, it would be interesting, you and he being at odds. He's with my dictionary here and with science as well. You have your work cut out.

And the whole thing is worse for you than anyone Buz. If dinosaurs and crocs (or is it dinosaurs to snakes) are close then we are even closer to apes.

I hadn't seen that post yet. Reptilia is not the same taxa as "reptile". Those terms are not, according to my wife's molecular phylogenetics book, congruent.Dinosaurs are certainly members of class Reptilia, but they are not, to my knowledge, reptiles. They're dinosaurs.

The fact that they were warm-blooded (and a number of other differences) makes them not reptiles.They were dinosaurs. What you're proposing is as coherent as insisting that "mammals are just warm-blooded reptiles with fur and titties."Reptiles are reptiles. Mammals are mammals. Dinosaurs are dinosaurs. Why is this so hard to accept?By what criteria would you suggest that dinosaurs be classified as reptiles? Show me the criteria for belonging to the group "reptile" (not class Reptilia, which is different) and I'll tell you if dinosaurs qualify.And you didn't answer my other question. If God changed all the dinosaurs into reptiles, why are there dinosaur fossils?

Your knowledge is stubornly flawed and it appears your will continue in your falacious notion, no matter what. Dinosaurs are referred to as reptiles all over the place including Google and my dictionary. I know it tears up Ned something awful to have to agree with me, but I gotta give him credit. It's rare for one of your own to correct one of you if it should mean agreement with your counterparts.