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Author Topic:   Surrendering to Jesus/God is Not Biblical
jar
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Message 95 of 300 (393948)
04-08-2007 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Rob
04-08-2007 1:30 PM


Re: Acquiescence, Not Surrender
I'm not sure what version or translation of a Bible you use, but I was pretty sure that Matthew 12:5 did not say what you claimed it did, so I went and looked it up.
In Message 90 you posted :
Rob writes:
Now, here is what Jesus said about fear:
Matthew 12:5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.
but when I looked it up, the NIV version had:
Matt 12:5 writes:
5 Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent?
and the KJV version has:
Matt 12:5 writes:
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Do you also just make up your Bible? Have you ever even read a Bible?
Matthew 12 is based on a Talmudic discussion of what is right and wrong, and yet another example of Jesus explaining that morality is relative and not absolute.
Those who would like to read all of Matthew 12 to see what it REALLY says as opposed to what Rob pretends it says, can find it here.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 97 of 300 (393950)
04-08-2007 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Rob
04-08-2007 4:07 PM


Re: Acquiescence, Not Surrender
Do you wish to challenge the thesis?
Certainly.
It is one of those passages constantly misused by the Christian Cult of Ignorance.
Folk can read all of Luke 12 here.
In Luke 12 Jesus is speaking out against folk like the typical Biblical Christian. He is reminding them that it is their life that will count, not their beliefs or professions.
Trying to pull Luke 12:5 out as a quotemine is the typical Palm the Pea tactic of the Biblical Christians, in the hope that folk don't go on and read the whole thing.
Luke 12 is 59 verses long, and the whole import is that you will one day pay for what you have done in life. Don't think you will simply be able to claim you know the judge, it will be what you have actually done that will be judged.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 100 of 300 (393953)
04-08-2007 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Rob
04-08-2007 4:32 PM


Re: Acquiescence, Not Surrender
Should I be afraid?
How should I know? I do know that it is totally irrelevant, unimportant and unrelated to the thread or topic.

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jar
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Message 122 of 300 (394180)
04-10-2007 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by b b
04-10-2007 12:03 AM


Re: Acquiescence, Not Surrender
Do you really expect anyone in the RELIGION section to really believe you summed up 59 verses in one sentence. If God let you write the bible it would be the size of an elementary story book. Every sentence in the bible is put there for a reason. You can't disregard one sentence by summing up 59 VERSES!!? Come on!?
Excuse me? In Message 97 I was responding to someone who took ONE verse out of context and actually included a link to the whole chapter and you are upset that I summarized the whole chapter?
And sure, the Bible can be summed up in a short sentence.
Love God and Love others as you love yourself.
It really is that simple.

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jar
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Message 207 of 300 (395233)
04-15-2007 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by CTD
04-15-2007 6:26 PM


Re: Mushing It All Together
A simpler response would be: why did Jesus have to die?
Jesus had to die because he was born. Sorry, but everyone born has to die.
What manner of "Christians" are these here at EvC who don't know this?
Ones that understand that God becoming man to get killed to pay God for what God could simply forgive is really stupid and silly and just makes that God seem stupid and silly.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 211 of 300 (395241)
04-15-2007 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by CTD
04-15-2007 7:01 PM


Re: Mushing It All Together
Thanks for the clarification. As you appear to speak for the cult, what say you guys stop calling yourselves "Christians"?
Of course we are Christians, but not part of the Christian Cult of Ignorance.
The idea that Jesus death was "THE sacrifice" simply does not hold up to examination.
That is not something new. The Nicene Creed acknowledges that Jesus death was only part of the message, that the Sacrifice was the whole experience of Jesus life, teachings, death, resurrection and ascension.
The Sacrifice was GOD becoming man, just plain, simple man, a man just like you, only human, with all of the limitations of every man.
The Sacrifice was GOD becoming a baby, unable to focus his eye, unable to talk, to walk, to control his bowels.
The Sacrifice was GOD becoming one of us to teach us what WE could be, what WE are.
Jesus was bound to die from the day he was born. It was inevitable, he would die of old age, of sickness, of accident or as happened, by act of man; but he was bound to die.
Crucifixion was not something special, after all, at least two other were also crucified the same day, and same place as Jesus. It is likely that there were dozens, maybe hundreds of people crucified the very same day.
The lesson was that GOD became man to show us just what man could really do.
The lesson was that GOD had forgiven mankind, all mankind, not just those who were followers or who claimed they "knew him".
The lesson was that while no one starts out damned, we will all be judged based on what we do.
Or is deception an indispensable element of your religion?
Unlike the Christian Cult of Ignorance, the indispensable element we see in Christianity is a need for honesty and that GOD is not some picayune bling-bling pimp-daddy that gets pissed when dissed or that does something as silly as becoming man to get himself killed to pay himself for something he could simply have done anyway.
We do not believe that it is necessary to check your brain at the door to be a Christian.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 265 of 300 (407063)
06-23-2007 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by jaywill
06-23-2007 10:34 PM


Re: Wisdom from Holy Spirit ?
ROTFLMAO
Exactly how do you know it is the Holy Spirit?
Marshall Applewhite knew.
Jim Jones knew.
Charley Manson knew.
All their followers knew.
How would you know it was Jesus?
Marshall Applewhite knew.
Jim Jones knew.
Charley Manson knew.
All their followers knew.
Were they right?
Is there some reason you just quotemined part of what purpledawn posted and not the rest of the sentence or paragraph?
purpledawn writes:
I disagree. The Holy Spirit gives us the wisdom to see our errors and advises us on what we should do. We decide which inclination we are going to follow. If God truly regulated our tastes, attitudes, and actions; Christian should never do anything wrong.
or what jaywill quotemined
quote:
The Holy Spirit gives us the wisdom ...

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 274 of 300 (407120)
06-24-2007 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by jaywill
06-24-2007 3:11 AM


Re: Wisdom from Holy Spirit ?
I'm sorry but what the hell does any of that have to do with anything I posted?

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