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Author Topic:   Surrendering to Jesus/God is Not Biblical
pelican
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Message 263 of 300 (407056)
06-23-2007 9:35 PM


New concepts of bible?
I have been studying the bible on and off for decades and nothing much changes. The meanings attributed to the bible are so out of date and do not work in todays' society as a whole. Trying to follow someone's perception of the bible teachings does not make one happy. Never has, never will. It just makes for some great debates.
It is 2007 and times have changed. Change is the nature of life, but there are many who cling to outdated religious teachings that thwart (for want of a better word)this natural evolution.
Surely it is time to remove dogma and see the reality of the stories told in the bible. E.G look at Jesus' life, he turned the other cheek, he loved his enemies, he was cruxified. Who in their right mind would use him as a role model? Unless you are a martyr of course. Is this what we should be teaching our children?
We have many martyrs amongst us including the suicide bombers who are taught to give their lives for a 'cause' and the promise of a glorious afterlife. This stinks. They may not follow the same religious book but the doctrine is the same.
There are more ways to perceive the bible, if one must. E.G the references to 'sins' in the bible are given a lot of credence and judged as bad, needing forgiveness. An objective view of these 'sins' in the context of the story show they all are merely 'mistakes'. Big ones, little ones, same one repeated but still mistakes usually born from ignorance or fear. Is it possible Jesus made mistakes too? Is it possible that Jesus' life might be a testament to the frailties of being human? Is it possible when Jesus said, "I am the truth, I am the way" that he meant his whole life including the consequences? Is it possible that Jesus was showing us that we cannot change the world alone? Is it possible that Jesus' life story shows that he could have saved himself and that we can too? It is the whole life lived that bears the finest testimony. These questions do not alter the story but changes the meanings into modern day thinking. The bible has to be taken as a whole and not dissected to suit.
Personally I do not see good triumph over evil in the bible. I just see that good and evil existed then and they do now. The question is 'what are we going to do about it'?
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pelican
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Message 270 of 300 (407103)
06-24-2007 3:36 AM
Reply to: Message 268 by jaywill
06-24-2007 2:59 AM


Re: New concepts of bible?
I am not a christian. I have no religion. I was offering new ideas or concepts to encourage new ways of thinking, certainly not to adopt another bloody religion.
The ideas I put forward are absolutley from my secular humanism. Is there any other form of human? I am looking at reality and all the debates concerning bible study are divisive. I look for concepts that are possible for all to agree on, but some will carry on the timeless tradition of killing each other in god's name and the rest waiting to be saved by his son.
None of this rubbish fits in with the reality of the world we live in now. We need to rethink and think new things to change our world. Where are the open minds? Why does everyone try to convince the other to their way of thinking? Dogma dogma dogma. Think about it.
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