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Author Topic:   Surrendering to Jesus/God is Not Biblical
Doddy
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Message 5 of 300 (392508)
04-01-2007 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by purpledawn
03-31-2007 10:02 AM


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Romans 12:1 "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service." (KJV)
Does this verse not seem to suggest that we give up our lives? I will agree that this is a bit vague, and could range from presscribing martyrdom to subservience to merely living and dying normally but with God in mind. Perhaps another verse is needed:
quote:
James 4:7 "Submit yourselves therefore to God" (KJV)
What could be more akin to giving up control than pure submission to God?
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Romans 6:13 "Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God." (KJV)
Yield yourselves to God? Sounds like giving up power and control to me.
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John 3:5-6 "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit." (NIV)
Doesn't this also seem to suggest we have to see our selves die, and then be reborn with God in control, rather than ourselves? Or am I reading to much into that one?
Lastly, consider the references to the sheep vs goats.
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Matthew 25:32-33 "All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left." (NKJV)
Goats have a reputation of being more stubborn than sheep, which are submissive to their shepherd. The sheep don't really have control over where they go - they have to trust in the shepherd and follow.
So, I'm of the opinion that there is enough in the Bible to head in the direction of requiring complete surrender to God, including control and free will.

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