The first 3 chapters of Genesis

Kinda. What God said meant no more than what the serpent said. The did not know right from wrong.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Are "innocent" adults the same as undeveloped children?

agree or disagree:
Jar thinks that A and E were punished.please don't evade (the cops might come then, and I'd hate to see you fined for attempted evasion)

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Its well neigh impossible for any of us---who know right from wrong---to even imagine what type of perspective a person who did not know right from wrong would see the world around them and how they would think.

"Mystery Box! Mystery Box!", roars the audience.It would be a very short and boring show/Bible if they just took their prize and went home.

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When they do not know right from wrong, yes. Morally, legally and practically, if they are unable to know right from wrong they are innocent. Not only was their ability to understand right and wrong undeveloped, it was totally missing.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Looks to be a bit like Pandoras Box.

Kinda?You said they were incapable of obeying prior to eating the apple. Disobeying (eating the apple) was the only option for them. That means disobeying was a foregone conclusion.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

You joking? Have you ever wondered why a elementary teacher always needs to remind the students to be quiet?I spent some time in my life working with second and fifth graders. After I gave the second graders a specific instruction, like to stay quiet in the hall way, they'd follow the instruction for a whole minute before the hall way is filled with little voices. The same thing happened with the fifth graders.It's not that they wanted to be disobediant. It's that they are incapable of controling their urges to talk or touch this and that. They also have a problem with memory. Yes, they can remember your instructions very well after a minute or so, but they have a problem with remembering to follow these instructions.A and E were like little children. In fact, I can completely imagine one of my kids doing what A and E did. At first, they obeyed god. Then some time went by and one of them gave in to the temptation of touching what he/she was not suppose to touch. Perfect example of behavior in children.

Yes, he does. He stopped equivocating on that one point in this thread because his back got pinned to the wall and he had no choice but to admit it.He doesn't like the idea, however, because it hints at a Fall.So he decides that God is a jerk for punishing them since they are not responsible. And since he thinks God is not actually a jerk, the story must have some deeper, more esoteric meaning which will fit in with his own theology.I'll tell you what I think about this lack of knowledge of good and evil. I don't think it refers to good and evil in the general sense.
I think the meaning is much more limited. I think it refers to SEXUAL good and evil.

Different culture, same story.

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Because children are capable of being disobedient. Now, after the schoolteacher reminds them to be quiet what do they do. Obey.If they did not - then why would the teacher bother asking them to be quiet?Jar says incapable of obeying. Children are capable of obeying as well as disobeying. We are dealing with one instance in time. God saying "Be quiet" vs. the serpent saying "Be Noisy".

Dogs are like that too. You tell them to get off the couch and they mutter to themselves, "I've already gotten off the couch six times. What more do you want?"No fruit of the knowledge of good and evil in their diet, apparently.

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I was adressing what you said in message 259..
apparently agreeing with Jar's point

And a fall leads back to choice and choice leads back to responsibility and responsibility means punishment is just. Which kind of leaves us all snookered and in need of a saviour.