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Ok, I think Mazzy is doing a good job too...crashfrog. I suspect you'll disagree.Anyway, who cares what I think, it's only my opinion, who the hell am I?So, why dont YOU tell everyone which Creationists are good contributors if you disagree with everyone I say.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

Who's Buzz?

Of course I agree cavediver. Maybe I shoulda said he APPEARS to be holding his own. I guess what I mean is, it's impressive he hasn't backed down yet...lol.I didn't mean to imply he was winning at all. Im just impressed with his ability to debate you guys and keep the thing going. Even if he IS being toyed with, he deserves something

I really missed out on some of great debates that took place here. I just skimmed thru this thread " Topic: Pseudoskepticism and logic "EvC Forum: Pseudoskepticism and logicAnother great thread. There are a bunch of those closley related threads here and always fun to read.Im late to the party as they've been hashed out re-hashed out and re-re hashed out again and again. No matter, I think it's some of the greatest debating and some of the best reading on the forum.I wish I was around at it's height.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

Thanks for the links, i'll check them out. I've already glanced at the "Percy is a diest" thread before tonight. I'll read more.So, Percy's thread is where this WHOLE thing started? You, bluegenes, Mod, RAZD etc etc ??

I don't get your "Analemma". Can you break it down in laymans terms? Does it also deal with the SN?

Thanks for all the links and the history behind the whole debate on atheism and agnosticism. I think RAZd would consider me as foolish as the pure Atheist as I believe in absolutes on the opposite end, for what it's worth.If I were an innocent bystander I would think RAZD's postion is probably the most logical. So, Straggs, what's the beef then? So, you're agnostic when it comes to god(s) or atheistic? Nothing to do with weather patterns or banks, just god(s)...And why wasn't it the "Straggler challenge"? Was it you who argued this first or bluegenes? ???????? So what's the fracking problem? Dammit, nevermind. That was short lived.bluegenes, if ANY of the God(s) sound made up THIS God is the least! He created things that produce after their own kind, atleast..."horus" and "osiris" and "mithraism" etc etc...God makes more sense...to me So you're agnostic towards the Christian God? I told Straggler that I was healed by that God, from a specific prayer in the Bible, isn't that good evidence? Subjective at best? Match up all the God(s)...I think the God of the Bible is the most plausable.I realize of course, that im taking a #1position on the "dawkins" "RAZD" scale, as an absolutist, so for me to question a #7 would be dishonest I suppose. As a #1 (absolute) certainty a #7 (absolute) is comparable in relation only but not logically or evidentially IMO And there it is folks! In the beggining, there was RAZD and bluegenes...Both of you guys give seem to give somewhat conflicting reports on your agnosticism and atheism. Since im a #1, I can't say anything about you being a #7, so shouldn't it work both ways? If you're a #7 (absolute certainty that god(s) don't exist), how can you question me for when I believe the SAME thing, only in reverse?Is it so bad to keep and open mind about the existance of God?Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

Ok, so basically if Scientists were to actually witness the rapture themselves,(according to x's annalemma) since they the scientists witnessed it, it wouldn't be evidence because it must be natural if they themselves who are natural saw it?IOW, if scientists were to scientifically investigate the SN and found something it can't be SN because they... found something...who they themselves happening to be natural...found it, so, it can't be SN if natural people found...it...got it.I think it just means if it's SN we who are natural will never detect it cause well, were not supposed to because well, were natural.So since bluegenes theroy requires a SN explanation it will never happen because we are natural.That's like saying we cannot experience God since he is supernatural and we are natural. I knew I disagreed with him I just wasn't sure how, now I know.Thanks Straggler.Atleast bluegenes leaves the door open, geeeez....

Well, then whats the problem? Why do you disagree with bluegenes? Im trying to see your point of contention with bluegenes theory. If you don't believe in ANY SN entity, then where did all the ideas about SN entities come from?MY answer to that is satan himself. People have a good imagination BUT satan is out to decieve and can use very real things to persuade people. The answer to this is reading your Bible to weed out the fakes.

No Straggler, not quite. It's only a PART of it and it's very convincing none the less. A feature of human psychology is emotinally connecting with your dog wibbedo, NOT Jesus.Healings, miracles, real lives changed, deliverance from drugs, alchohol, etc etc is not psychological, it's real. Santa never healed anyone did he? Is anyone claiming they are going to heaven because of santa? There is only one truth not 5000 truths.Santa isn't the one truth nor is tron or thor or oden.Belief arises from faith and faith is what it takes to get there, once there it's evidence. If you want to see what im talking about ask me how anytime and i'll walk you thru it.THEN we can celebrate your new found freedom in Christ and you can share it with your mates. God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the angels, the devil, demons. The Bible, testimony, witnesses for starters.

Don't act like this is the big boys club and im an imposter and your the frikken president. Please, try to get it in your head that my beliefs are EXACTLY what we're talking about here, just in specifics in my case and not in general terms.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

Whats so bad about it? Are still one of those who think the Bible had contadictions? And that Straggler is more right than the Bible? Wow, now that is some argument.

Try to not misquote me. I said satan is the one decieving everyone with the different ways to God. Can you understand that simple concept?

Well yes, its belief based on experience. Just like it's your belief there are fish in the sea even tho you can't see them. Well, that settles it! LOL. Ok Straggler, if you say so. So, your a #7 on the dawkins scale now? Like me ima #1....it seems were both just as passionate about our "beliefs" ehe? Oh my. Well, I say different. I say he IS real and I can tell you exactly how I met him and what you can do to meet him to, do you want to know?How come your proof of nothingness is better than mine of somethingness? What makes YOU right? Nope. I WAS a catholic. Lots of Christains were hindu, scientologists, etc etc. They came to knw the truth. Geography doesnt matter, or what you grew up to believe, you listen to richard Dawkins to much.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

Are there people claiming this? Is there a movement and evidenced transformation of the people who are of the Matrix religion?What are their testimonies? What is their doctrine? I would love to talk to just one and compare it to my faith and sort out the differences.Can you give me an address or number I can call to get this ball rolling? I assume since you keep referencing it it must be huge and therefore I should be able to find one down the street.The Matrix faith must be pretty stable being it has lasted so long and actually keeps growing despite it's naysayers.Thanks for any info you can provide. I look forward to exploiting this false religion for what it is and it's about time someone did.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.