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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Fair enough. See Bilingualism.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4 |
As Admin begins to crack down on the poor posting practices of our resident racist and geocentrist, the hilarity continues.
Apparently SO thinks that beign asked to produce the calculations that support his argument means he has to redo all of the work his source originally performed...as opposed to simply copy/pasting the numbers his source presumably provides and explaining how they support his position. Or, you know...just conceding that he has nothing at all to base his wacky beliefs on. This, of course, has inspired a temper tantrum from SO, such that he has instructed Admin to ban him.
quote: I anticipate his request to be granted very shortly. I'm not sure if I'm more happy to see the little racist disappear, or sad at the loss of the constant stream of humor as the forum's favorite target practice is taken away.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Or, you know...just conceding that he has nothing at all to base his wacky beliefs on. But Rahvin he has provided "sources".... What more do you want?
I'm not sure if I'm more happy to see the little racist disappear, or sad at the loss of the constant stream of humor as the forum's favorite target practice is taken away. Personally I find him hilarious and I will miss him dearly. Alas I suspect that his current suspension is just a sign of more permanent things to come. Oh well. Next....... Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 313 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Can anyone remember the name of that ingenious poster who tried to solve the problem of life on the Ark by suggesting that God miraculously made it bigger on the inside than the outside?
Thanks. ETA: Never mind, I found it. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
ARK: an obvious precursor to the TARDIS
ARK =Ark of Recursive Kinematics It cannot be done without recursion. - xongsmith
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4745 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Greentwiga is to be congratulated for the Message 183 below. Here's to hoping he sticks around for a long, long time.
greentwiga writes: I was thoroughly chastised by myself when I read through the site I posted to realize that it was a creationist hoax. Everyone very kindly told me what a dummy I was to believe that scientists originated the hoax. I couldn't respond to this thread till my face stopped flaming red.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them. - Thomas Jefferson
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Second. See Message 8 for more.
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
In RAZD's message 4 reply to my message 1 at the "Percy is a Deist - Now what's the difference between a deist and an atheist?" topic:
The deist believes that god/s is/are essentially unknowable, that all evidence points to the way the natural world functions as created, and all we can understand is how it works. If I had it to do over again (and here I do) I would reply to that: The atheist believes that god/s is/are essentially unknowable, that all evidence points to the way the natural world functions as created, and all we can understand is how it works. Deism and atheism is functionally the same thing. I proposed a "Great Debate" to try to explore the above. My message 1 ended with the question:
So RAZD, the question is, how does your deism effect your day to day life? RAZD declined the "Great Debate", saying:
Not interested, sorry. My faith is personal, and everyone's worldview affects their day to day affairs. And so it ends, leaving me at "Deism and atheism is functionally the same thing." Moose
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5224 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Moose,
RAZD writes: Not interested, sorry. My faith is personal, and everyone's worldview affects their day to day affairs. Excuse me, I thought RAZD banged on about his "faith" ad nauseum making it impersonal? Glad to see it's become a "faith" now, & not an evidentially supported conclusion, though. Mark There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Well I still don't understand RAZD's position.
On one hand he seems to say that his faith is deeply personal and independent of logic or rationality. (Fine. No argument from anyone there.) Yet on the other hand any suggestion that believing in one immaterial unevidenced entity over any other is irrational and the result of special pleading and he will start banging on about the value of "subjective evidence". Whatever exactly "subjective evidence" is in relation to entities that are wholly materially undetectable? I find it all very contradictory. And all very ambiguous. I hope to rectify this here Immaterial "Evidence"
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi mark24,
Excuse me, I thought RAZD banged on about his "faith" ad nauseum ... Nope. You have confused Straggler's confusing continual misrepresentations with my actual position on the validity of subjective evidence: all I talked about was the validity of subjective evidence. It seems Straggler was completely, and likely still is, unable to separate this from talking about gods and faith, etc, a problem I don't have. Most of what I "banged on about" was Straggler's continual misrepresentation of my position on subjective evidence to involve and be central to my faith, when it didn't and isn't.
Glad to see it's become a "faith" now, & not an evidentially supported conclusion, though. Curiously, my personal faith has always been a "faith" -- it is something that I just do not talk about -- a point that renders all of Straggler's comments about my faith, hidden agenda, larger argument, etc., etc., rather ridiculous, because whatever he thinks it is, it is necessarily a fabrication of HIS own making. This point should be obvious to anyone when they realize that he has been unable to find a single -- not one -- quote about my faith that he can use to prove his point, even though there were literally hundreds of posts on the topics in question. Not one. Not a single one. Zero. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Don't you wonder why that is? Faith is a personal journey, and I can no more tell another person how to find their path than anyone can tell me, which makes discussion of faith rather irrelevant and pointless, hence my declining of moose's invitation. Nor will I be party to any more of Straggler's silly games about "but you said" to my "no I didn't" - as he has demonstrated to me a level of dishonesty in those debates that is pointless to try to continually refute. He will continue to post false statements about things I've said in spite of challenges - and his failure - to substantiate them. Until the day he can, or acknowledges that he can't and apologizes, he will be a dishonest debater and a liar in my book. But this is not the thread to air dirty laundry, it is a topic to discuss debates on other topics. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
I am not, and never have been, overly interested in your faith. I am however very interested in what can be evidenced and what cannot. I am also interested in whether atheism or agnosticism is the rational conclusion. It should be noted that it was you who raised the issue of "subjective evidence" in a thread about deism and atheism. Not me. It was you that created any conflation between faith and evidence. Not me.
Personally I think your little hissy fits, wild accusations, mock indignation and personal attacks are just a means of evading the real issue at hand. Namely that you are simply unable to justify your assertion that agnosticism is the rational position with regard to some unevidenced gods whilst remaining totally atheistic to equally unevidenced immaterial concepts like our old friend the Immaterial Pink Unicorn. Special pleading. Indisputably. But you would rather put pins in your eyeballs than ever actually concede that fact, or tackle the issue of how immaterial entities can be evidenced.
Immaterial "Evidence" has been specificaly setup to discuss evidence independently of any conflations with faith. Maybe you should take your comments there. Edited by Straggler, : No reason given. Edited by Straggler, : No reason given. Edited by Straggler, : Add link to Immaterial Evidence thread.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5224 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
RAZD,
Curiously, my personal faith has always been a "faith" -- it is something that I just do not talk about -- a point that renders all of Straggler's comments about my faith, hidden agenda, larger argument, etc., etc., rather ridiculous, because whatever he thinks it is, it is necessarily a fabrication of HIS own making. Not really, the whole subjective evidence thing came up because of the deism threads. Mark There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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Admin Director Posts: 13042 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
To RAZD,
If you cannot discuss a topic without ad hominem then please don't discuss it here. To you and Straggler: This is a peanut gallery, not a discussion thread.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
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