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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Rockhound quote:
______________________________________________________________________ This has come up again and again, and always in the same pattern - if someone disagrees with creationism or another fundamentalist position, then they are not 'true Christians' ______________________________________________________________________ Not true. You most certainly can disagree, and you most certainly should be able to disagree without someone changing the subject and accusing you of not being a "true christian". The only problem was that YOU wrote a post that said my position cannot be the position of a true christian BECAUSE in your view I was not "turning the other cheek.....loving my neighbor". You are perfectly representative of the world at large that believes the Sermon on the Mount and complying with its directives is the goal for christians. The Sermon on the Mount: NOBODY can keep the precepts and laws contained therein. It is a sledgehammer intended to show everyone that they cannot do it. Jesus said if you even DESIRE to sin, in God's eyes you are guilty as if you did it. Jesus changed the Law to a even more impossible standard - a standard that only Jesus would fulfill and keep. Nobody can love their enemy, nobody can refrain from lusting in their heart, nobody can cease from hating - ONLY Jesus could. He preached all these things so we would come to the conclusion that we CANNOT live up to this Divine standard. This Sermon was shoes that only Jesus could fill - the Law Incarnate.When He fulfilled the Law God crucified Him thus killing the impossible standard that mankind could not keep. The purpose of the Sermon on the Mount is to make mankind conclude that they cannot do it, it is intended to drive them to the GOSPEL, which is the only other God ordained alternative, something we can do. The Sermon on the Mount's purpose is to scare the hell out of you and drive you to the gospel (way of faith) as the only other way to relate to God through the risen Christ. Does this mean we can sin ? I didn't say that. Remaining in sins is not an alternative. The gospel embraced will have God free you from your sinning nature as we pursue the gospel/faith. Rockhound wants to ignore my pointy points and lump it all to be hatefilled ranting. Then he asserts himself superior and justifies it with a pea brained citing of scripture. YOUR lifelong understanding of the Sermon is error ! The goal is not imitation through carnal discipline, rather, spiritual fruition via the power of the gospel. I hate the destruction of the Constitution by persons who have successfully changed original intent. In my opinion every true christian should hate that too. If you say you don't hate then you are a liar. Everyone hates. A true christian is hated by the world because Jesus said a servant is no different from his master. They hated Jesus - they will hate you too. Whats a true christian ? Paul the Apostle. If your christianity doesn't cause a riot - then you are a luke warm compromiser who cares more about the praise of men than of God. I really don't care what non christians think of me, but if any god damn fundementalist says one critical word about me then I will PROVE from scripture that YOU are the worst piece of God damn shit on the face of the Earth.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Purpledawn quote:
______________________________________________________________________ For me personally, I know the limits of my own spiritual maturity, consider the source, turn my self-control on high, and answer as unemotionally as possible. ______________________________________________________________________ This comment is a superb example of what christianity IS NOT ! A christian is a person who has the Spirit of God dwelling in them. That Spirit does not come inside and manifest Christ's resurrection power via SELF CONTROL/willpower/discipline. The Spirit enters and remains by a continuing act of faith upon a promise of God. It is pure heresy to present christianity as some sort of allegiance to a code of conduct/set of rules. Christianity is about coming into relationship with God through Christ. The journey begins by faith, continues by faith, and ends by faith. This is the message of the N.T. Purpledawn and others are disciples of Moses with Jesus on their lips and law in their hearts.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
wmscott:
Where in your perspective is the gospel ? I read a lot of subjective rules that probably originate from your denomination. I cannot find one word of gospel in your post. Where is the good news/gospel ? I bet you cannot even properly define the gospel much less communicate what it means. This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 05-24-2004 10:27 PM
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Very intelligent response.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Go ahead Monkey and criticize me - no problem.
Presently, I am containing an inner rage against fundementalist christians. They are to blame for misrepresenting God and the message of the N.T. I am monitoring this debate while preparing my next topic which is tentatively titled "What God Thinks of Fundementalism". I recently read an excerpt in a book called "Lucifer Rising", which is a collection of interviews with satanists. One of these fine individuals is under indictment for burning down 8 churches and is under 24 hour police surveillance. Someone noticed that none of the 8 churches burned were fundementalist churches, when they asked him why he replied:" because Satan forbid me to burn down fundementalist churches.....he wants them to prosper because they put people in bondage.....fundementalist christianity is the only thing about christianity that I like...."
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
No wmscott you are avoiding the defectiveness of your post.
It contained nothing about the gospel BECAUSE Moses is in your heart not Jesus. Your message is: Jesus saves but after conversion the way to relate to God/Jesus is via conforming to a code of conduct/law keeping. The gospel wasn't on your heart because no matter what you now claim it takes a back seat to surface conformity to Moses law. Moses is dead. He wasn't allowed into the promise land because God is teaching a larger truth that conformity to Law doesn't get you in the promise land - only faith does, which by definition has nothing to do with Mosaic law. (Romans 3:20, 21 NewKJV) Moses was too associated with the Law, he could not enter because it would serve as a "distruth" to the truth that only faith inherits the promises of God/entering the promise land. (Hebrews 3)
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
quote: Yes it does, because faith has an end and that end is when God manifests what you are believing Him in faith for. This is called promise received, and when this happens you need to go on to the next one (promise) and continue in the life of faith to faith. (Romans1:17)
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
quote: People who credit Him with answering prayer.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3077 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
quote: In a court of law persons testimony is judged by the jury and judge as to its truthfulness. Corroborating evidence is used to confirm or impeach testimony. Many times the entire body of evidence/case comes down to the believability of the witness because the corroborating evidence is a push. Jesus did miracles in the presence of the Pharisees and they still didn't believe. There is no "objective evidence" that you could be swayed with. Richard Dawkins/Crashfrog said if a statue of the Virgin Mary were to wave at you then you didn't really see what you saw. In other words, miracles don't exist no matter what. This worldview doesn't allow miracles so the front of "objective evidence" is a lie. Which entity ? The one who got the answered prayer - whomever they credit. Your position is to dismiss the whole (baby with the bathwater) because you deem the entire subject unworthy of research to find out.The answers await in the study of comparitive religion. This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 06-09-2004 06:11 PM
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