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Author Topic:   What is a True Christian?
crashfrog
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Message 167 of 329 (112887)
06-05-2004 4:08 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by Hangdawg13
06-04-2004 11:57 PM


There are two kinds of happiness really.
But once again, we get back to the same ad-hoc reasoning that led you to conclude that Christianity isn't a religion simply because it's the faith that you adhere to, unlike the others.
What you're saying is that there's the kind of happiness that comes from satisfaction with a society that at once protects people and allows for personal choice; and then there's the kind of happiness that comes from religious self-delusion.
Just because you have different delusions than other religions - God talks to you, you're in a love relationship with him, etc. - doesn't make your religion fundamentally different than any other. Just because War and Peace is its own unique story doesn't mean that it stops being a book.
Christianity is the only religion where God has done all the work for us.
The problem for you is, this isn't a universal view of Christianity. Slavic Orthodoxy, for instance, holds a synergistic view - personal volition is required to attain grace and salvation. God doesn't "do all the work".

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crashfrog
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Message 172 of 329 (113097)
06-06-2004 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by Ziw eht ekima
06-06-2004 8:30 PM


"Proof" is only necessary for those who are not sure. Only someone with doubt will test for proof. S/He who has the truth would believe when all prayers went unanswered.
I wonder sometimes if it's even possible people like you could ever understand how at odds this is with any mature, reasonable epistomology.
It's not enough to know. The question is, how do we know we know what we know?
Faith may be a way of knowing, but it provides absolutely nothing in terms of helping us know we know. The scientific method, on the other hand, is the best way to be as sure as we can that we actually know the things we know.
I'm sure this sounds silly to you, and it's because you've probably never sat down to think about knowledge, and how it's simply not possible to determine the difference between reality and a sufficiently convincing simulacrum.

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crashfrog
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Message 175 of 329 (113503)
06-08-2004 2:05 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by Cold Foreign Object
06-07-2004 11:32 PM


Yes it does
No, it doesn't.
Pretend for a moment that you have faith in the wrong thing. How would you know? That's what I'm talking about.
God doesn't seem to answer prayers in any statistically meaningful way, so who's to say he's doing it at all?

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crashfrog
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Message 177 of 329 (113748)
06-09-2004 2:22 AM
Reply to: Message 176 by Cold Foreign Object
06-08-2004 11:16 PM


People who credit Him with answering prayer.
But who's to say they're right, since there's no objective evidence they can provide? Who's to say they're crediting the right entity?

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