What is a True Christian?

jar, I like Jerry and Pat, but kind of hear what your saying, or something like that(Prosperity gospel?). I see Jerry and Pat though fighting the race, overcomers, too me they are great men of God like Oral Roberts, etc...If you have nothin else you can just listen to Oral give his commentary of the New Testament. I see these men as Great Men of God. Have you ever listen to Jerry preach the gospel. When he took over the reigns of the 700 club from Jim Baker(PTL), he didn't profit from it, but turned it over to Pat Robertson, like have you ever listened to the 700 club, etc...P.S. Like what do you think of Mother Theresa, do you feel she was fighting the fight too, loving the unlovable, we all are fighting the fight too, in our own way, think Jesus was saying to love as he loved, not as the world loved, and he would call you his friend, so I'd have to disagree he would get drunk with the boys, cause that would be wallowing in the mire, think the verse was more about loving the brethren, not loving the world, cause in revelations it says to let the filthy be filthy still, and let the righteous be righteous still, and God will reward accordingly, but agree he does search the heart, so kind of hear what your saying, he does want us to love one another, your neighbor, but not as the world loves, just my take on it, he loves the widow, the orphan, the unlovable, etc...If you ever get a chance, think you'd enjoy reading a book, A Man Called Norman, its likely not in print, but you'd likely enjoy it, cause I kinda agree with its all about the agapa love, having a servants heart, to be about what he is about, rather than trying to get even, instead of having a spirit of forgiveness, etc...http://www.orm.cc/new_testament.htmlThis message has been edited by whatever, 05-23-2004 08:12 PM

I think that interesting that the fundementalists churches probably are under Gods protection (Satan would say they are under bondage as if this is a negative thing), I suppose the fundementalist pray the OUR Father lead us not in to temptation and deliver us from evil, so I'm leaning its about them fundementals like staying under the winged protection of the Father, etc...P.S. I on the other hand think the Father is searching for those to worship him in spirit and truth, too, however, I just don't see Satan rejoicing in people like Jerry Falwell, Oral Roberts, and Pat Robertson, Chuck Swindol, so see it more as Gods protection. It does say to put on the full armour of God, and the Word is the Sword, so wondering what is the problem, it might be the other churches are not putting on the full armour of God, like where it talks about quenching the firey darts of the enemy, etc...This message has been edited by whatever, 05-25-2004 11:07 PM

I thought the Father seeks people to worship him in spirit and in truth, I just find it interesting if speaking in an unknown tongue according to Paul edifies one's spirit, not the church, is part of worshipping the Father, cause it edifies the believer, etc...In truth cause your worshipping the Father in the spirit, (in the spirit of truth), etc...P.S. Too me its quite awesome that without saying a prayer in words you understand, you can be worshipping God, and be edified within your spirit, cause your worshipping The Father. If your saying repetitive prayers and are not being edified in ones spirit, you might consider how the illiterate believers were edified by the gift of tongues(Paul himself said he didn't understand the words(saying how would this edify the church), (but was edified in his spirit, so its to the edifying of the person), and its interesting how it pleased God that by the foolishness of the preaching of the gospel to save them that believe, because by the wisdom of this world they believed not, etc...I enjoy the fundementalists too, cause they are edifying the church(enjoy listening to Pastor Cole, etc...) but feel its the Charasmatics that about the edifying of the person, in the gift of tongues, etc...If your a true worshipper, in the spirit, its not how perfect one forms their prayers but it might well be the worship in words one doesn't even understand, cause your worshipping God in the spirit and your bypassing your mind and worshipping in the spirit of truth, but what I find interesting is that the believer is spiritually edified, etc...Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.Joh 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

I see the fundementalists, Charasmatics different parts of the church that Peter built, cause of the faith in Christ.P.S. The bible says greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world, so if greater is he in you, then your a temple of the Holy Spirit, but it says many gifts, same spirit, etc,...I agree though with all this about letting Jesus into your heart, your kinda putting the cart ahead of the horse, cause you come to Christ for forgiveness, and its the Father that sends the Holy Ghost in his Son's name. The apostles found some that believed didn't recieve the baptism of the Holy Ghost, even though they believed and was baptised in Water, but needed the laying on of hands, etc... I see the verse saying that Christ is come in the flesh, so feel your one in spirit, through Christ, so no one can come to the Father in Spirit unless they are born of the Holy Spirit, and that speaking in tongues is one of the spiritual gifts, some recieve the gift of preaching, teaching, prophecy, so love all the Christian brethren that are all one in the Spirit through Christ, to the edifying of the brethren church, but believe that the Holy Spirit also is the comforter and this is what makes it interesting about the comforting of the believer, in the edification of the believer in those that recieve the gift of tongues. I feel when believers come together God is there too, cause where two or more are gathered together in his name their he is, so were back to where believers should come together in his name, and this is the reason believers believe cause they know that greater is he that is in them than is in the world, its the love that is greater than that makes the Christian faith real, etc...This message has been edited by whatever, 05-30-2004 08:49 PM