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Author Topic:   What is a True Christian?
nator
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Message 192 of 329 (117132)
06-21-2004 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by Ziw eht ekima
06-06-2004 8:30 PM


Re: Yes!
The students saw what they wanted to see in the horoscope, and discounted or ignored the inaccuracies.
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I've seen these experiments before, but the information the people are given is vague and could describe a lot of things. But we are talking about specific prayer requests.
WHAT specific prayer requests?
Nobody has risked providing any any specific prayer requests.
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Specific things happening at a specific time and place are what prayers are.
Right.
So far, I have not been successful in my attempts to get the people claiming God answers their prayers to step up to the plate and list ALL of their specific requests, including times and places, so that we can look at their hit rate.
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For example, if I want to be healed from a specific illness, it's no good that I recieve any other result than that specific request. Also, what are the chances of spontanious remission?
Both excellent questions! What are the success rates of people praying to be healed of a specific illness?
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We know we are right because we have the truth. Why should someone test whether they are eating an apple when they know they are?
Any disinterested observers can also observe you eating an apple, and you can be recorded eating an apple on film and audio. The contents of your stomach could be extrated and examined by other disinterested observers and shown to contain partially digested apple.
None of this can be done for your belief in God, or even for the existence of God.
People "know" that they have been abducted by aliens.
Why should I believe you and not them?

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nator
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Message 193 of 329 (117137)
06-21-2004 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Cold Foreign Object
06-09-2004 2:57 PM


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In a court of law persons testimony is judged by the jury and judge as to its truthfulness. Corroborating evidence is used to confirm or impeach testimony. Many times the entire body of evidence/case comes down to the believability of the witness because the corroborating evidence is a push.
Since DNA testing has been developed, many men wrongly accused of rape have been shown to be innocent because their accusers, however completely convinced and positive they were when they identified their rapists, were completely wrong.
Eyewitness testimony is still very convincing in jury trials, unfortunately, even though it has been shown to be very inaccurate.
What people recall seeing isn't all that likely to be what actually happened, especially in emotionally-charged situations.

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nator
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Message 228 of 329 (173396)
01-03-2005 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by Phat
01-02-2005 5:23 PM


Re: What is actually necessary to be a Christian
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I am NOT saying that Tal is not a Christian, however. That is between God and Tal.
Well, right.
That's what I have been saying all along.
The members of the Christian White Supremacist group known as the Ku Klux Klan proclaimed to be Christians.
How can you say they were not, if the matter is between them and God?

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