What do believers believe heaven or hell are like?

When I believed in heaven my conception was much like yours, except I saw it as vast library where every fact could be reseached.Hell would be knowing the library was there and being locked out.

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Yes in principle the same goes for masculinity, but in my experience men don't spend half as much time on masculinity, as women do on femininity.

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How do you mean? How do women spend so much time on femininity compared to how much time men spend on masculinity?I mean, it would seem that in many Islamic countries, both the mother and the father of sons dote and concentrate on the masculine by promoting him and telling him how important he is, and they discount the importance of any daughters they might have by not being interested in promoting their education or careers.

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And I'm not saying that either femininity or masculinity are wrong, just that some go to extremes, displacing religion proper.

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How do women do this? How is it that Islamic culture does not glorify masculinity to the point of displacing religion?Or, is Islam a intrinsically masculinity-worshipping religion, so any time femininity is focused on at all, you think that it is too much?

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Anyway, if there wasn't the revealed knowledge that many women are in hell,

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Tell me, how do you know this?

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Your questions are of course annoyingly atheistic /
materialistic.

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That means you don't know the answers to them right?

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Could you please tell me the size, weight, accelleration, vector of the decision of some despot to kill some harmless people?

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I wasn't aware that "descisions" have weights, sizes, accelerations, or vectors.

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You know, I love this question you asked, your OP. I have so much to tell you, but its hard through the internet.

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Thanks!

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We exist in our body, soul, and spirit. When you become born again through Jesus, salvation, and all the crazy Jesus freak stuff, it means that your spirit is born at that point.

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From that moment, it is a growing process. Your spirit starts to grow, and you start to do things of the spirit more than things of the body/soul. So you start to get a feeling of what it is to exist in spirit only, without your body or brain.

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How do you "feel" without a body or brain?

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It is a wonderful feeling. It's a little taste of heaven here on earth. I wish I could jsut give you that feeling for a second.

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But wouldn't I need my body and brain to feel it?

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I to often wonder that very thought. Because no matter how many things I wish to do, eventually I would run out of time, and be bored.

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But what if heaven existed in the 4th demension (or beyond) where there is no time. I have had visions of what it looks like. I seen the earth, it was a globe, but I could see all the countries.

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You have had visions in 4 dimensions? It's my understanding that humans are incapable of visualizing objects in more than 3 dimensions.

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If there is no time, how can we get bored? How can we relate to what we don't know? Like Q from the space time continuum in Star Trek.

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The heavens may be infinate, which would leave us with plenty to do.
God does promise us treasures in heaven, and that we will be at peace, and happy. I don't understand the mechanics of it, but maybe the joy you get from riding your horse magnified by a thousand, sprinkled with the perfect love that only God could provide, might be what it's like.

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Even the aching, tired muscles and the saddle sores? I'd have those too?

All you need is your mind, sweetheart.

Let's lobotomize your frotal lobes and see how well your mind does, lamby-toes.

I was complimenting you (I just got through ogling your photo--I hope you don't mind).In my view, mind-stuff was released during the Big Bang and has been drifting through the universe ever since. Whenever it finds a sufficiently developed brain, it attaches itself to it. Whenever the host dies, the mindstuff is released again and floats around in the universe (this is called, traditionally, "heaven").This seems to be the only explanation for our experiences.This message has been edited by robinrohan, 02-08-2005 15:30 AMThis message has been edited by robinrohan, 02-08-2005 15:31 AM

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I was complimenting you (I just got through ogling your photo--I hope you don't mind).

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Of course I don't mind. Ogle away.

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In my view, mind-stuff was released during the Big Bang and has been drifting through the universe ever since. Whenever it finds a sufficiently developed brain, it attaches itself to it. Whenever the host dies, the mindstuff is released again and floats around in the universe (this is called, traditionally, "heaven").

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This seems to be the only explanation for our experiences.

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LOL!Alrighty then.

I don't know what's so funny. I'm through ogling.This mindstuff is like "dark matter" in the sense that it is undetectable. Calling it "grey matter" seems almost too obvious and anyway it is not matter at all but waves of qualia or even memes through which time flows.Given this background information, we can now discuss Hell.Hell is what happens when for some reason the mindstuff cannot separate itself from a dead brain.If you have ever been attached to a hunk of dead meat, you can understand why this condition might be called Hell. The mindstuff is stuck to the dead brain, but what it wants to do is soar through the universe on the solar winds (from this, we get the ancient image of heavenly and angelic wings).This message has been edited by robinrohan, 02-08-2005 16:59 AM

One reason why I'm not a Christian is that I have a hard time believing in the Christian view of heaven. I recently left Utah to work at an internship in Pasadena. While there, I met a preacher and we had a long conversation about Heaven. He kept going on about how Heaven is perfect. However, I don't see how I could be happy if my every desire was instantly satisfied.Like Jar, my ideal is where you just learn new things. However, if struggling to learn is a negative thing, then in Heaven, wouldn't everything be easy to learn? Even if you didn't learn everything instantly, Heaven is for eternity. Eventually, you will learn everything. Then you'll get really bored.Anyway, that's my thoughts on Heaven.

Hi Schrafinator,
Being raised as a Catholic I was taught variations on what H & H are.
Not being satisfied with any descriptions until one day I read some things that Saint Thomas Aquinas wrote. Although he lived in a time of Aristotilian thinking and superstition, I still sometimes read his writings. He described Heaven as a full union with God, and Hell as a separation from God. Vauge as usual these theologians but it left me with a idea of what it would be like to be in full union with something such as God.And how utterly complete one would feel to be one with God. Saint Thomas also said that the punishment for sin is the attachment to the sin. We sin, then it becomes easier to sin again. And what ever the sin is we are drawn deeper into the dark nature of what we are capable of and further away from grace and further away from God. (I make no sugestion that any of this is fact it is merely my own understanding of the concept of Heaven and Hell)

Interesting...I was raised a Baptist and we also were taught that hell was seperation from God. I had to listen to the Asmbley of God and Pentacostals to realize that I could expect some brimstone and pitchfork pokings. Gimme that ol time eternal isolation I guess...Heaven was unity with God; and to those who said "what about the pain of not having loved ones there with you", well, every "tear was dried"...you just didn't remember them as per God's wishes. Eternity was constant worship. Rock on.Now all this is my remembrances of two and a half decades ago. I am going on my memory and this represents a long ago impression of my stay in a middle of the road Southern Baptist church in an Arkansas church.ABB

Wow, I was baptised in a Southern Baptist church when I was a teenager.Yes, hell was at times described as separation from God, but they also left no doubt about the hell-fire and brimstone awaiting those so separated. This was what I assume was a relatively liberal SB church also, in a military town and full of members from many different denominations.

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A lot of time has passed and maybe my memory is selective here. There was mention of torment but the emphasis was separation. Other denominations emphasized the physical torment. Perhaps I had even more of a liberal SB preacher( although that seems oxymoronic ) than you did.I also fled before baptism so maybe the full indoctrination was yet to come, as if every Wednesday and Sunday for 15 years weren't enough.ABB

Robin, have you been eating funny mushrooms lately?

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We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. - Richard Dawkins

Your welcome! Just because you don't have a brain, doesn't mean you won't feel.aybe the collective thoughts of our mind will continue to live even without our brains. I believe that it will, and our brain is only a communication device between this life and the next, or this demension and the next.I think I know what your going to say next, and that would be the evidence of people who have sustained brain injuries. But remember that Jesus healed people who were dumb. Just because your physical brain is damaged, mightnot mean that your soul (or collective thoughts) are damaged. Only your ability to communicate them.Why don't you ask God what it is like to exist in the spirit. He can show you in a dream, or when you awake. Ask and ye shall recieve the saying goes. If we never ask, we probably won't recieve. Hw else would I see a globe, but yet see all the countries at the same time? There were no hidden sides, or backside to the vision. I was fully aware of all my surroundings. I was in a place, yet I was everywhere. The vision was short though, it only lasted a few seconds. I hope God gives me more like that one, it was cool. I was awake when I had it. There was joy in that pain. It was your sense of accomplishment. But I was refering to your joy when riding only.Hey God created you for a purpose, part of that purpose was to ride. God usually wants us to use our gifts to help others.