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Author Topic:   What do believers believe heaven or hell are like?
Syamsu 
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Message 7 of 148 (183467)
02-06-2005 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by nator
02-05-2005 5:53 PM


It's going to be very tough for everybody in the afterlife, so you must be prepared. Hell is very painful, of course, and all metaphore of extreme pain are appropiate to it. Some atheists complain much about unavoidable socalled natural pains, as if that proves God doesn't exist. And that is fine they make some argument, however they must not cloud the truth that natural pain is insignificant compared to the pain associated with sin, or doing wrong, the pains of hell.
No soul will help another soul in the afterlife, but in marriage two souls are joined as one. Any soul that is not good by more then a half in God's judgement, will be thrown into hell and painfully destroyed.
In the afterlife, you will know the whole truth about everything, and you either like it or you don't, and if you like it, you will be in heaven, and if you don't you will be in hell. So some will be full of love for God, and some will curse God and hate him and his creation. This hate burns in their soul, and it is extremely painful.
There are a great many women in hell, which causes many muslim women much fear, and so tend to be more religious. However I think they're mistaken, I think the reason there are so many women in hell (where one might expect there to be mostly men only because men generally more engage in murder etc.), must be because of femininity, as a quasi religion. It doesn't make sense that lack of faithful practice of religious rites is the reason so many women are in hell, because women have generally been as much or more faithful in practicing religious rites, as men have been. So I would guess that women should spend less time on femininity, rather then that they should pray more often.
Some of above is on good authority, some of it is interpretation.
regards,
Mohammad Nor Syamsu

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Syamsu 
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Message 12 of 148 (183631)
02-07-2005 2:15 AM
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02-06-2005 10:53 PM


Yes in principle the same goes for masculinity, but in my experience men don't spend half as much time on masculinity, as women do on femininity. And I'm not saying that either femininity or masculinity are wrong, just that some go to extremes, displacing religion proper. Anyway, if there wasn't the revealed knowledge that many women are in hell, it would look like that hell is basicly only something for men to worry about, not so.
Your questions are of course annoyingly atheistic / materialistic. Could you please tell me the size, weight, accelleration, vector of the decision of some despot to kill some harmless people? I think if you recognize choice as real, you can get a sense of what things like spirit and soul mean, because they are more closely related to choice, as they are to your materialistic conceptions.
It would be good if you can find some way towards a "memento morti" sentiment for atheists, avoiding all the references to things you don't believe in. I'm thinking of some atheist public figures, not mentioning any names, but they just only had the "carpe diem" sentiment. Dying like that, it's like they were murdered, which didn't actually happen. So if you are done criticizing what you don't understand, can you please look to it that you actually have some alternative.
regards,
Mohammad Nor Syamsu

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Syamsu 
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Message 65 of 148 (185012)
02-14-2005 12:18 AM
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02-08-2005 3:47 PM


So choices don't have such attributes as weight, and size as matter does, so you should look to things like soul, spirit, heaven and hell, more from a choice perspective rather then your materialist perspective.
On balance, what is significant here is that you don't have an answer to the choice perspective, in stead of me not having an answer to the materialist / brain perpsective. The material rottingprocesses of the brain and body after death are of no interest, what happens to our choices, our will, spiritual being, soul, and the like, is of interest.
It is not really the point to identify discrimination of women in Islamic countries in this context, it is the point if or not women much self-identify as women, are much aware of it, spend much time on it. Discrimination could likely increase such self-awareness, so you haven't much of a point with it. And anyway this was just to say that many women are in hell, according to a widely known vision of the prophet.
regards,
Mohammad Nor Syamsu

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