Gender and Humor

Thank you... Sure. You hung out and enjoyed their company till if and when you got to bang 'em. It's what we all do. We put up with their annoyances till we get in their pants. If not you enter the "friend" zone... at which point you're just the dumb-ass who listens to her problems. And it's usually about some other guy... who IS fucking her.But don't give this bullshit about them being more fun to hang with than your male friends. Would you go out with your girlfriend or wife's friends and just hang out at a happy hour with them? Just you and them? If you would then YOU need the reality check, bro. - OniEdited by onifre, : No reason given.Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

Now you're getting it. What you wrote is absolutely true! We are. We laugh at dumb shit, have inside jokes that are stupid, if it doesn't have a vagina or involve sports we're not interested in it; we're simple minded and not very complex... and that's why we don't find you guys (women) funny. Cause you're none of that. It's all subjective. Sex in the City sucks balls! There, I've said it. lol You'll come around. - Oni

See, now that's funny... but clearly something a guy would say. That's why it's funny. However, I will admit I'm always attacted to women who talk like that. And will you admit that you can't stand that type of girl either? Which, sadly - (and you're probably cool as shit since you're on this site and say "hairy balls) - but that is a large percentage of the woman population. Especially here in the states. The Ed Hardy wearing generation of douchebags. Not at all, I got lots of artsy-gay friends, lol. Some of the coolest people I know. But yeah, if he doesn't like to drink (or at least smoke) then I'd say he's a lame dude. My opinion of course.Like Sinatra said: I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's the best they're gonna feel all day.I don't like sports though, except for soccer and MMA, everything else bores me.- OniEdited by onifre, : No reason given.Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

Can everyone please look around the forums here at EvC - check in Big Bang and Cosmology or in Faith and Belief, it seems like dwise1 has lost his balls. Anyone?What is she reading over your shoulder? Not so wise this time dwise... You be a man and stop dancing, that's what you do. Yeah... there's also women, and ahh... cars... music... tits... ahh... oh yeah, books... movies... fishing... golf... all of which are things that are a lot more fun without chicks. Except for women. Women are definitely a lot more fun when experienced with other women. - Oni

Damn, and she can explain it all nerdy-like too. Some more points for you. Well those aliens are typical of what we have here in the states. I meet a lot of them after shows, and trust me they are boring and annoying as fuck to deal with.So we hate the same people. HahahaI think I'm on the wrong side of the Atlantic. Yeah that's weird, a lot of women in the states play soccer (or football ) but I don't see many follow it. Then again there are very few bars in the states that are soccer themed. Even with the latin women it's not that big of a care for the game. It depends... if it's cool birds like hawks and things with talons, then it's ok. If it's gay birds like... I don't know, like colorful dainty birds, then yeah, a bit less cool than a turd. - Oni

Really? You'd enjoy happy hour listening to women talk? More than hangin' with dudes drinkin'?Are you crackin' with wise with me?- Oni

I, being one of those that doesn't consider them funny, am not saying women can't act in comedic roles. I have said they aren't funny, as in stand up comedy funny. Improv, sketch and acting, in my opinion, don't require someone to be funny per se, they just have to be able to play characters well and deliver - (case in point, Ben Stiller. Who has said many times that he personally is not funny. So does Mike Myers. Both of them admittedly consider themself not to be funny people.)Stand up on the other hand is solely one's ability to create funny without the aid of anything or anyone else.Burnett and Ball were great at playing characters and had excellent timing and delivery. Neither of them did stand up. In that world, women fail to be as humorous as men. They lack the ability for some reason to delivery good quality, funny, stand up sets.- Oni

No not at all. I know lots of great socially inept stand up comics. I myself have social axiety disorder.Myself personally, I can talk to a thousand people in an audience, but put me in a small group at a party, especially one that I don't know anyone except maybe the person that brought me, and I'm quiet and not very conversational - but I am observing and studying people and their interaction with one another. I consider myself more of an observer of normal life than a part of it.I'll say this, with that comfort that you personally talk to your friends at a pub with, and have no fear of making a joke about anything (esp. with really close friends) is the level of comfort a stand up comic must eventually find on stage. Its called "finding your voice." Which simply means, find yourself. Your true "you" that you are and deliver your written material in that manner. It takes time to find it because we can't be ourselves when we're nervous or thinking about our set on stage.But when it does happen...wow. Even the comic is shocked at his perfomance at that point. I just got there last year.The best stand up comics (aside from having brilliant material) are the ones you find very natural on stage IMO. It is, like I said, in the sense that you're trying to find that Straggler that talks to his friends at a pub, and bring him to the stage to deliver the material you came up with.You can't get on stage and tell the story the way you tell it to your friends though. There is a structure that comics follow and that jokes work in. My closest friends who I hang with all the time are comics. So in that situation its a free for all of punchlines and trying to one-up each other. Which works out great because we come up with material for each other.When I hang out with "squares" - if they know I do comedy then sometimes I'm guilded to it in conversation. I can feel people pressuring me to be funny by feeding me a line they want me to do a joke about. Or if not they say "don't do this in your act." As if thier stroy was that important where I'm going to talk about it on stage and add it to my material. It usually isn't.But man do I pick up chick with this comedy crap, dude. Because whenever I want to I can turn up the "funny" volume and be funnier than the other douchbags trying to hit on them. Win for me!Yes, I'm ashamed by it, but I use my powers for evil. - Oni

...Straggler is walked calmly behind a wall. A single shot is heard.- Oni

They did so with a team of other writers too. With that said, sure, writing funny sketch, plays, movies, sitcoms, etc., does require one to have a comedic sense. Myers and Stiller are writers too.Writing stand up is different. And except for Silverman, the rest are NOT funny. Their stand up, not them specifically. Poundstone blows, Griffin should be shot, Sykes buys material, Garafalo was funny in the 80's. Ellen I found funny once or twice but not anymore. Boosler I didn't like. Rivers and Dillers, other than being icons in the business, where before my time and what I have seen...not funny.- Oni

No, Wanda Sykes. Black female comic. Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

Yeah, that's her. She's a funny actress and her stand up is very funny. She does have writers (I only know this because a friend of mine is a writer for her) but she used to write for Eddie Murphy back in the day. So I guess it goes both ways.I do like her stand up though. I wouldn't go out of my way to watch it but if I caught it I'd listen to some of it.- Oni

No, not stand up material. Sketch, plays, sitcom, movies - those genre's can be written by others and performed by good actors.Stand up is different. Exception being someone like Wanda Sykes who has worked clubs for over 20 years and can NOW take someone elses material and perform it. Lots of comics do this. Dane Cook bought material, I mean, how else would he come up with 2 new 1 hour specials in a year, while still doing movies, etc.? He couldn't, so he buys it from other comics. For the 2nd Blue Collar Comedy Tour, Ron White was offering up to $10,000 for 10 minutes worth of material. But these are pro's who can take the material and perform it. BUT - if you'll notice, Ron White was better on the 1st Blue Collar Tour and Dane Cook was better in the early 90's with his own material. So there is a clear difference. Just like Eddie Murphy's Delirious was better than Raw. Robert Townsend, Keenan Ivory Wayans and Wanda Sykes (and Eddie Murphy too) wrote Raw - Delirious was ALL Murphy. But again, a pro can pull it off.But say someone like Christina Applegate - NEVER will she be able to perform stand up written by anyone. Unless she did stand up for many, many years, then maybe. ???Stand up, performed at clubs, with a live, drinking, talkative audience is ALL about quick wit. In fact, there's comics like Ian Bagg who don't do anything on stage but improvised stuff. He doesn't go up with material. He's one of the quickest comics I've seen work a room. Don Rickles is nothing but quick wit. Robin Williams too.Can you explain, if I didn't understand what you meant? They'd be great. They'd be great too. Experience at interviewing helps of course but I think all these women would do well. IMO, it has nothing to do with the mechanics of comedy and EVERYTHING to do with audience reaction. Female comics don't do as well as male comics with audeinces. Some do, yes, I agree. But for the most part its a male dominated environment because men seem to be better at making audiences laugh.Just look here at everyone's favorite stand up comics. No one put in their top 5 a woman.This is the list of Comedy Central's top 100 comics:

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1. Richard Pryor
2. George Carlin
3. Lenny Bruce
4. Woody Allen
5. Chris Rock
6. Steve Martin
7. Rodney Dangerfield
8. Bill Cosby
9. Roseanne Barr
10. Eddie Murphy
11. Johnny Carson
12. Jerry Seinfeld
13. Robin Williams
14. Bob Newhart
15. David Letterman
16. Ellen DeGeneres
17. Don Rickles
18. Jonathan Winters
19. Bill Hicks
20. Sam Kinison

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21. Dennis Miller
22. Robert Klein
23. Steven Wright
24. Redd Foxx
25. Bob Hope
26. Ray Romano
27. Jay Leno
28. Jack Benny
29. Milton Berle
30. Garry Shandling
31. George Burns
32. Albert Brooks
33. Andy Kaufman
34. Buddy Hackett
35. Phyllis Diller
36. Jim Carrey
37. Martin Lawrence
38. Bill Maher
39. Billy Crystal
40. Mort Sahl

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41. Jon Stewart
42. Flip Wilson
43. Dave Chappelle
44. Joan Rivers
45. Richard Lewis
46. Adam Sandler
47. Henny Youngman
48. Tim Allen
49. Freddie Prinze
50. Denis Leary
51. Lewis Black
52. Damon Wayans
53. David Brenner
54. DL Hughley
55. Alan King
56. Colin Quinn
57. Richard Jeni
58. Larry Miller
59. Gilbert Gottfried
60. Jeff Foxworthy

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61. Bobcat Goldthwait
62. Eddie Griffin
63. Jackie Mason
64. Richard Belzer
65. Cedrick the Enter.
66. Shelley Berman
67. Kevin Pollak
68. Dave Attell
69. Pat Cooper
70. Wanda Sykes
71. Red Buttons
72. Bernie Mac
73. Billy Connolly
74. Paul Rodriguez
75. Eddie Izzard
76. Robert Schimmel
77. Paul Reiser
78. Sinbad
79. Dom Irrera
80. Bobby Slayton

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81. Dick Gregory
82. Howie Mandel
83. Norm MacDonald
84. Drew Carey
85. David Cross
86. Jay Mohr...boo-urns!!!
87. Brett Butler
88. Paula Poundstone
89. Kevin James
90. Dana Carvey
91. Jim Breuer
92. Louie Anderson
93. George Wallace
94. David Alan Grier
95. Andrew 'Dice' Clay
96. Joey Bishop
97. Sandra Bernhard
98. Louis CK
99. Janeane Garofalo
100. Gallagher

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9 are women, and Sandra Bernhard did stand up maybe 5 years early in her career when Budd Friedman first opened the LA club and was letting anyone on stage. That's back when Andy Kaufman and his horrible act were allowed on stage. Now a days that shit would NOT fly. In fact, when comics started to get paid Kaufman said that's the worse thing that could have happened to comedy, because now they were expected to do well.Plus, other than Roseanne Barr, Ellen DeGeneres and Wanda Sykes, I don't think the others are funny stand up comics.- OniEdited by onifre, : No reason given.

Fine then, name 10 more female STAND UP comics that didn't make the list...The only one I see is Silverman, and the reason (I assume) is because she's still very young.In fact, name 5 more female stand up comics that didn't make the list. Anyone, not just you Straggler.Comedy Central would not be bias on this, they just don't exist. And remember, for any 1 female comic you mention, someone from the list would have to go.My problem with the list is they put Roseanne Barr #9 before comics like Hicks, Seinfeld, Kinison, Murphy, Newhart, etc. I'd say if anything they were MORE than generous.And here's the panel that discussed it (Greg Giraldo, Dom Irerra, Judy Gold, Mario Joyner, Phyllis Diller, Richard Jeni, Pat Cooper, David Brenner, and Richard Lewis) included women, who agreed with the list.- OniEdited by onifre, : No reason given.

Sorry little lady, I didn't mean to come off upset.I was just trying to help you answer the question yourself. Naw dawg, you one of us, you're funny. But you're at your best when you wigga up and deliver those sick lyrics. - Oni