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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Hooah writes: All I can say is this. People who make light of the belief that God is fake are as notorious as people who go around trumpeting the belief that He is real. Come on Phat. Think about this. This is the only life I know I have. The ideal would be someone who is quiet about either account. Not to say I'm that quiet about my belief, but i'm eventually leaning that direction. Hooah, regarding my assertion that wars are caused by protecting offspring writes: I've never heard that one before. Got any evidence for that? Wealthy people are not simply greedy. They amass great fortunes to preserve their families. Wars are indirectly caused because those who have everything won't give it up and allow the less fortunate to have a slice.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
All I can say is this. People who make light of the belief that God is fake are as notorious as people who go around trumpeting the belief that He is real. Notorious for what? Atheists only exist because theists do. As soon as religious nutters get their lobster ass claws out of everyone else's business, the atheist movement will quiet down, if only because we won't NEED to be as vocal. Human rights needs us because you lot sure don't care much for personal freedom. Now, what's this to do with the topic?
The ideal would be someone who is quiet about either account. Ideal for who? Why?
Wealthy people are not simply greedy. They amass great fortunes to preserve their families. Wars are indirectly caused because those who have everything won't give it up and allow the less fortunate to have a slice. That's not a very convincing argument for saying that wars are for "protecting the interests of children".
OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message by continuing in this vein. AdminPD Edited by AdminPD, : Warning"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
This was rather interesting. I realize that Christian TV is often commercialized, but this guy seems convinced of the experience he was selling/telling.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Strangely, Revered Howard Storm admits that there is no evidence that he actually died - he was simply unconscious on a hospital bed.
Can I consider all my dreams to be near death experiences? Because if I can, there is some major crazy shit in the after-life...If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Must everything be linked to evidence? Cant some experiences be real to us even if they were imagined?
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Phat writes:
I never mentioned evidence. Must everything be linked to evidence? Cant some experiences be real to us even if they were imagined?I was simply pointing out that a near-death experience that is not actually 'near' death is not a near-death experience. Imaginary things can seem real - see Hooah's most recent thread.But the things we experience when simply unconscious are called dreams. Wear a nicotine patch and go to sleep.Then come and talk to me. If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Yup, by his logic Aliens, Predators and zombies are real cause I dream about them (mostly, zombies, mostly).
What a bunch of crap. The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Being real to us and being real to everyone else is very different.
The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3267 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined:
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Have you ever experienced a hypnopompic hallucination combined with sleep paralysis?
If you haven't, then you have no idea how real some of these experiences can be. I had one in whcih I was waking up in my apartment, but I couldn't move. I could open my eyes, but all I could see was the corner of the ceiling above me. In my mind, I was in my bed back at my parents' house, and since most ceiling corners look the same, there was nothing to disabuse me of that hallucination. The wall against which my headboard rested, in my parents' house, was between me and the stairs heading downstairs. I could hear a growling beastie, and I "knew" it was a large, demon-dog thing on the stairs. I was very scared, but the wrost part was that I could swear I heard my mom start walking up the stairs. I wanted, no, needed, to call out to her and get her to stop coming up, that the demon-dog would eat her. I was in a panic, but I couldn't move, couldn't make a sound. Through sheer force of will, or perhaps because I was beginning to come out of this hypnopompic state, I was able to move my leg, and that sort of snapped it. I sat up quickly, saw my apartment bedroom, and it completely broke the spell. I have to tell you, it was one of the most intense experiences I've ever had, and I can easily see how, had the dream been slightly different, I could have attributed it to aliens or a religious experience. Luckily, I had known about this phenomenon before, and could explain it to myself as soon as it was over. So, dreams and other "misfirings" in the brain can cause very profound experiences that someone could easily believe had actually happened.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There's BIG Money in being able to "Testify, Brother" on the Christian Money Train Circuit.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 7.6
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Cant some experiences be real to us even if they were imagined? Of course they can. The characters of many fiction novels are far more "real" to me than many historical figures who actually existed. Fictional stories have had a significant real effect on my moral opinions, for example. The names we use for days and months originally stemmed from the names of utterly fictional deities, for another. Even Jesus had a significant real impact on me, and continues to do so, because Christianity impacts me on an almost daily basis even though I no longer believe it to be factually accurate. But there's a significant difference between that sort of reality and believing that fantasy characters actually existed in real life. Some of Jesus teachings can still be perfectly valid and useful in real life even if Jesus (as depicted in the Bible) never actually existed. "Thou shalt not commit murder" is a pretty good rule even though Yahweh is an imaginary character.The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it. - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Cant some experiences be real to us even if they were imagined? Of course. But those "experiences"? They're worthless to anyone other than yourself. If you keep them to yourself, except maybe to tell a story, that's fine. But when you try and use these "experiences" to dictate ANYTHING to anyone else, you're wrong. Flat out wrong. {abe}Whoops. Sorry phat. I didn't realize the forum we were in. I really should stay out of the F&B section as it is anyways..... Feel free to disregard this message because I've no intention on discussing the matter if we can not lend credence to evidence. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.Mythology is what we call someone else’s religion. Joseph Campbell
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AdminModulous Administrator Posts: 897 Joined:
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This topic is about the afterlife, especially what heaven or hell will be like along with the accompanying rationale for believing it to be that way.
It is also in the Faith and Belief forum where there is less demand to supply scientific evidence to support a position, and where philosophical or theological answers are acceptable. I suggest all participants take the time to look at the OP (Message 1) to see if their post is really something that addresses the topic.
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