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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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The Shallow State: Forget the conspiracy theories. Something much more dangerous is seeking to gut our government and change the character of our society.
quote: Remind you of anybody?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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quote: It's terrible what they are doing, such long range planning. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Porosity Member (Idle past 2124 days) Posts: 158 From: MT, USA Joined: |
WTF? They could have done the same video with the Irish, Italians, Jews, Chine's..etc.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
There is no good reason to dismiss video evidence as inferior. A few people saying some things is probably of less value than the collated statements from all law enforcement. The latter results in statistics. The former is prone to an individual's bias.
Given the fact that there is too much good reason for the statistics to be faked to save face for Sweden, I would take that as weight added to my side. Given the fact there is too much good reason for the videos to be faked to validate the right-wing narrative over fears of immigration, it's at best a wash.
The videos I've put up are from good sources it seems to me. Let's take a look again then, shall we?
"Sweden Before And After Mass Immigration" by Blot-Sven Odenskarl It shows peaceful traditional practices contrasted with scenes of violence. It doesn't give any idea on how many scenes of violence there were before, nor does it comment on the peaceful traditional practices that still go on today in Sweden. It has no probative value.
"The Rape of Sweden", Feminist Infrequency Cites '55' areas so bad they are on a black list. They're poor areas which are high crime rates. Calls Peter Larsson a 'police chief' when in fact, he's a beat officer. Lars Frstell, police spokesman says there is 'nothing special about right now', dismisses as unevidenced that this is related to refugees and indeed, points to gang violence in Sweden going back to 2008 - even back to the 90s. There is no such thing {as no go zones}, says Erik kerlund - an actual police chief - there are areas where the police focus their efforts due to high crime. Strangely he says most applicants are young unmarried unaccompanied males, not the women and children the 'media' would have you believe - but then shows images of refugees who are largely women and children. The name of his channel gives away his origins. The channel being created to 'counter' Anita Sarkeesian of Feminist Frequency. Why are so many of these videos associated with misogynists and gamer-gate bros?
"Welcome to Sweden" - Angry Foreigner 'Angry Foreigner' is a Bosnian immigrant - he came to Sweden when his Muslim parents moved there with him as a child in the 90s. He also hates feminists. Enough said.
"The Truth About Sweden" - Paul Joseph Watson Issues a challenge to lefties to visit Sweden themselves. I haven't, but I've had one friend who has been there 3 times this year, and another who goes there every other year or. They say it's lovely. Paul Joseph Watson is the credulous gullible fool that swallowed Fake News a while back, and published it on InfoWars - without asking for any evidence or validating his source (who admits it was a prank). He also released a video called 'The Male Backlash Against Toxic Women' about a 'lifestyle optimisation program' that1) Understanding 'game' and the true nature of women 2) Self-improvement - to be more independent to 'boost their sexual market value' making it easier to attract women 3) Weightlifting 3) {Yes there are two number 3s} - Lifestyle optimisation 3) {actually there three number 3s} Rejecting dependency This requires 'high levels of testosterone'. You see women don't need men because of the welfare state. Women have become like men and 'sleep around' with 'bad boys' instead of committing to a 'nice guy'. This explains why neomasculinists have to manipulate women which is why 'pick up artists' are more popular than ever before. Basically he's bitter because he's an arsehole that thinks he isn't an arsehole and women don't like him. So what about his video on Sweden? It regurgitates many of the same claims already made a dozen times. It mentions Malmo as the 'Chicago of Sweden' and how its murder rate is higher than....Paris. Oh. And its also less than 1/7th of Chicago. Hrm. Yeah, this guy is...an unreliable reporter.
"What They're NOT Telling You About Sweden " - Paul Joseph Watson Same guy so not wasting too much time on this one
"Sweden's Migrant Rape Epidemic" - Gatestone Institute Gatestone Institute of course has been linked to numerous false fear-mongering about Islam. What do they say? Apparently they don't have access to the numbers, but there must be a rape epidemic caused by immigrants because the Daily Mail says so. That's it? Oh no, the Daily Caller too. Yeah, there may be truths about what is happening in Sweden, but these sources are not the kind of analysts I'll rely on to get at them, I think. Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Not an honest fair assessment from the lot of you.
There is enough information in the videos to make a STRONG SUGGESTION that immigration is causing huge problems, to put it as conservatively as I can. The people making the videos are very credible. It takes some kind of poisoned prejudice to see them otherwise. (Paul Joseph Watson by the way gets millions of views of his video reports, not what you'd expect from a conspiracy thinker. Infowars gets almost as many)/ I for one would be greatly relieved to think immigration was NOT a big problem and if I feel that way I think other pro-Trumpers must also. There is no need to feed our fears with propaganda. And it's so CLEARLY NOT what is being done you all just prove again, as you always do, that it's the Leftist "narrative" that has you captivated, truth be hanged. Not one word in favor from any of you. Truly an alternate universe is EvC. I do have to wonder: Is all this Leftist claptrap "the great delusion" the Bible promises us in the last days? Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: By which you mean that you don't like honest fair assessments.
quote: Infowars IS a conspiracy theory site so your argument is rather self-defeating. Anyway there is no reason why conspiracy theories can't get lots of views.
quote: Then why are you swallowing these videos hook line and sinker - to the point of making up conspiracy theories to explain away the evidence to the contrary ?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
he he
it's the onion ... proving once again that it is difficult to mock conservatives without seeming like a believable conservative argument some wingnut endorses. Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Why do you think videos are my only source of information? They happen to be handy things to post. But I get the basic information from at least half a dozen audio sources and even some print sources although my eyes suffer from that. You guys are under a terrible spell. I hope you come out of it, but there isn't much sign of such a wonderful possibility.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Not an honest fair assessment from the lot of you.
Not a shred of evidence of dishonesty from you. If that's all the information we had they would be. But we have lots of more reliable and scientific information. For which you have no response except for the standard giant conspiracy that is so secretive there is no reason whatsoever to believe it exists.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Infowars is a great source of true information, including some of the conspiracies. Not all of them, I disagree with some of them. Not that you care. And they are mostly libertarians, which I'm not. You just wipe it all out because one or two topics bug you. They have great reporters,l great interviews and great topics. Alex Jones himself can be a wild man sometimes but I like him too, even though I would probably choose to post others from his site because they are less wild.l
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Why do you think videos are my only source of information? Because you have not mentioned any other sources in thousands of words you've written. But, sure, present your other sources. Claiming you have evidence but not presenting it is pointless.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: As we have seen it is a hopelessly unreliable site. They carried that silly "inventor of email" story for one more.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That wasn't the point. Sigh. ALL OF IT adds up to the same information, that was the point.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Paul Joseph Watson by the way gets millions of views of his video reports, not what you'd expect from a conspiracy thinker. Infowars gets almost as many)
Number of views is not evidence for truth or falsehood. Personally I am not surprised that looney-tunes sites are garnering millions of hits in today's climate.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: I have no idea why you would ask that question. I certainly haven't made any such claim. The fact is, however, that the videos are the only thing you are offering as evidence and they are pretty poor. (I know you object to that, but as I said - you don't like fair honest assessments of your sources)
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