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Astrophile Member (Idle past 158 days) Posts: 92 From: United Kingdom Joined: |
New Cat's Eye writes: The congressman. Thank-you.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Silencers are for hearing protection? I'll admit to having a skeptical first reaction, but then I remembered the ear protection I had to wear when I had to qualify with a pistol in the military. If I had to work at gun range, I would like it very much if the weapons all had silencers. It would be good for my health. I don't like the idea of silencers being used for hunting. I think same goes for any other situation where a loud report is useful for warning folks that shooters are around. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World. Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
I always thought it was rather obvious that, basically, more guns = more death issues.
I saw a few "facts" in a Cracked.com article. Cracked isn't exactly known for being factual now (or ever?), so it's quite possible these are misleading on purpose.I was wondering if someone more focused on this issue could explain the seemingly-incorrect ideas the following is making. Here's the article: 19 Commonly held beliefs debunked with statistics And I'm most interested in any rebuttle (or even support, I guess) for #18 and #2. #18 seems to want to say that there is no significant correlation between number-of-guns and homicide-rate.I don't know if I don't understand the chart, or if their text is misleading or what... but I always thought that number-of-guns generally gave a higher homicide-rate and that it was fairly clear. #2 says the US doesn't spend an alarming amount on it's military when looked at as a percentage of GDP.I'm not sure if this is really a big point or not. But feel free to discuss, or clarify if you find it interesting.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Modulous writes:
They're used for sneaking around and shooting people in secret, so nobody hears you and comes after you. Duh.
Out of curiosity - what do you envisage them being used for?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
I don't like the idea of guns being used for hunting. I have no problem with killing animals but make it a fair fight.
I don't like the idea of silencers being used for hunting.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
They're used for sneaking around and shooting people in secret, so nobody hears you and comes after you. Duh. Ah yes, I forgot we were living in a movie or computer game
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Modulous writes:
In the real world, why do you think silencers are banned? Do you think our legislators are out to ruin the hearing of hunters?
Ah yes, I forgot we were living in a movie or computer game
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
In the real world, why do you think silencers are banned? Do you think our legislators are out to ruin the hearing of hunters?
if American gun laws are anything like Canadian gun laws, then they probably weren't written by people who know all that much about firearms. Suppressors/silencers aren't banned in the whole of the US.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
THis is from the linked article below.
quote: Impact of Aussie Gun LawsHe has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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DrJones* writes:
We don't get the murderers to write our laws on murder either.
if American gun laws are anything like Canadian gun laws, then they probably weren't written by people who know all that much about firearms.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
We don't get the murderers to write our laws on murder either
that's a false comparison. My point was that the ones writing the laws might not be all the educated on the subject of the law. Like if I, a non-doctor, was involved in a bill that that banned certain medical practices.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
DrJones* writes:
Like I said, our bills that ban certain medical practices are written by people who are mostly all non-doctors. It might be nice if they consulted with doctors but it isn't mandatory. They don't consult with murderers about banning murder procedures.
My point was that the ones writing the laws might not be all the educated on the subject of the law. Like if I, a non-doctor, was involved in a bill that that banned certain medical practices.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
you said:
Do you think our legislators are out to ruin the hearing of hunters? my reply was trying to answer this question. My position is the legislators may not be aware that there are non-stealthy-hollywood-murderer reasons for owning a suppressor.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
DrJones writes:
It doesn't matter if silencers have good effects. We ban things because of the bad effects.
My position is the legislators may not be aware that there are non-stealthy-hollywood-murderer reasons for owning a suppressor.
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Percy Member Posts: 22506 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
I don't have an answer for you, but I do have a little information. There's little correlation between number of guns in a country and homicide rates because of the "gun collector" factor. In the US gun collecting is very popular. There are more guns than people in US. The popularity of gun collecting varies across countries without discernible rhyme or reason.
A more meaningful correlation for comparing countries would be between the homicide rate and the gun ownership rate, where the number of guns owned isn't considered. The gun ownership rate could be by household or by individual. BBC had a good article today that contains part of the information you want:
Here's a graph I posted a couple years ago in Message 4502:
Here's a graph I posted a good long time ago showing the levels of gun ownership by country:
Here's a scatterplot I made and posted in Message 3018. It shows that by state there is no apparent relationship between gun prevalence and gun homicides:
Here's a great paper originally posted in Message 3151 that found that each percentage point increase in gun ownership resulted in a .9% increase in gun homicide: The Relationship Between Gun Ownership and Firearm Homicide Rates in the United States, 1981—2010. Oh, darn, it's behind a paywall now. --Percy
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