Murder by prayer: When is enough, enough?

(Y)ou really got to get off this women's thinking mode and see the reality. Children are not immune to things that take place in adult lives. sin is sin and God judges them all the same.

Christ...believed and taught the creative act. you are far from anything christian.

you are ignored, i do not respond to people like you who only want to do personal attacks.

i knew someone would bring it up if i didn't say anything but i hesitate to delve into the fine details because of the danger of my words being mis-used, abused, twisted and so on.

people like to think that God spares new borns from judgment, an dit is possible BUT scripture indicates that may not be so. HOW God handles this i do not know as certainly though the babies are born with a sin nature, how can they repent?

it is clear you only advocate a double standard not honesty. now you are just twisting the constitution to fit what you want it to say. NOTICE it says 'shall not prohibit the practice...' which means you all cannot top parents from practicing their faith and praying for the healing of their child. you also cannot argue against it, for as i have shown, because you cannot prove that taking the child to the hospital would have saved his or her life..you argue out of assumption, hatred and emotionalism and not facts.

archaeologist writes:it is amazing that you think you can read my mind.

archaeologist writes:yet you don't for you side with him.

yet God did NOT say 'use evidence' now did He? he said to use faith.

Rrhain writes: If you feel the need to introduce an outrageous example in order to prove that point, then you should make sure that you, too, consider it to be an outrageous example. It isn't enough to simply say that you're not equating it because you are. Instead, you need to point out that one is a case of hyperbole brought forward simply to point out the fact that there is a line between everything and nothing and we're simply arguing over where that line is to be drawn.

Alford, Jane, C. James Kasper, and Roger C. Baumann. 1984. Diagnostic Classification of Sexual Child Offenders. Corrective and Social Psychiatry and Journal of Behavior TechnologyMethods and Therapy 30: 2—12.This study of 50 incarcerated child sexual offenders found that, while growing up, 65% attended church daily, 33% attended church weekly, and only 2% attended church rarely. The offenders found no conflict between religious devotion and sex with children.---Alford, Jane, Mary Grey, and C. James Kasper. 1988. Child Molesters: Areas for Further Research. Corrective and Social Psychiatry and Journal of Behavior Technology Methods and Therapy 34: 1—5.This study identified three factors of child sexual abuse as having their roots in the use or misuse of Judeo/Christian tradition: (1) patriarchalism places the man as head of the family and the owner of his wife and children; (2) boundaries between various exual activities become confused because all sex is considered sinful; (3) sexual activity within families is hidden behind a curtain of secrecy.---Blake-White, Jill, and Christine M. Kline. 1985. Treating the Dissociative Process in Adult Victims of Childhood Incest. Social Casework 66(7): 394—402.This anecdotal study found that the incestuous father often presents himself as a quiet, solid family man who is a good provider and a regular churchgoer.---Doherty, V. 1988. A Feminist Christian Approach to the Sexual Abuse of Children by Family Members. Boston: University School of Theology.In this anecdotal study of incestuous families, 88% were found to attend church regularly. The father ruled the family through intimidation, the family was likely to be isolated, and the victim was pressured to remain loyal to the family.---Gil, Vincent E. 1988. In Thy Father’s House: Self-Report Findings of Sexually Abused Daughters from Conservative Christian Homes. Journal of Psychology and Theology 16(2): 144—152.In this study of 35 victims of father-daughter incest from conservative Christian homes, both fathers and mothers were regular churchgoers. Most mothers were unemployed. Many of the fathers were strict and legalistic. Neither natural fathers nor stepfathers were warm or effective in communicating feelings. This suggests that paternal participation in child-rearing, which is not common in traditional families, may help deter incest.---Glueck, 1955 (data cited in Mohr, Turner, and Jerry, 1964).Only about 10% of the convicted pedophile sample were religious doubters or disbelievers.About 20% were described as devout or fanatic, while the remaining 70% were conventionally religious.

Omni writes:We have good cause for concern about the power given to parental sexual predators by extreme parental rights champions like archaeologist, especially among the fervently religious patriarchs.

archy writes:you have NO cause for concern for 1. they are not your children

2. these studies are worthless as they take a few case studies, whether it be 100 or 1,000, doesn't matter and ignore the MILLIONS of families where things activities DO NOT take place.

3. we all know that studies are falsified, manipulated, altered, for political reasons.

4. these studies are used simply to attack christians or religious people because they are different have have a purpose in life.

5. you all hate Christ so you take that hate out on His followers.

6. these studies ar not objective but conducted by unbelievers who do not know anything about what they are studying.

the abuse heaped upon christian families...needs to be stopped for it is criminal and unjust.

archy writes:now, one side note, this CANNOT be guaranteed. it is only a possibility as i have noted that a friend of mine died from a medical problem that 'could have been prevented by medical care..' in the hospital under the care of doctors.