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hooah212002
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Message 91 of 284 (577209)
08-27-2010 4:10 PM


Just thought I'd drop this little gem here....
Children abused, killed as witches in Nigeria
Pastors in southeast Nigeria claim illness and poverty are caused by witches who bring terrible misfortune to those around them. And those denounced as witches must be cleansed through deliverance or cast out.
Sam Ikpe-Itauma runs Child's Rights & Rehabilitation Network, or CRARN -- an orphanage that supports nearly 200 children. All of them were accused of witchcraft and cast out by their families, often after being tortured. The orphanage provides security, healthcare, nutrition and counseling.
Also:
But, Helen Ukpabio, founder and senior pastor of Liberty Gospel Church in Calabar, the Cross River State capital says it is all a fraudulent attempt to rip off the region.
The minister of God accused Sam Ikpe-Itauma, who claims to run the NGO at Eket that houses the alleged 150 children, to have started the problem.
"There is a man in Eket who is creating this problem.
He is Sam Ikpe-Itauma."
Ukpabio equally accused Europeans of insincerity and pumping money to the wrong hands in the name of NGO.
Ikpe-Itauma is said to have opened his house to a few homeless waifs he came across, and tries his best to look after them.
"The neighbours were not happy with me and tell me 'you are supporting witches.' This project was an accident. I saw children being abandoned and it was very worrying. I started with three children, then every day it increased, so we had to open this new place. For every five children we see on the streets, we believe one has been killed, although it could be more as neighbours turn a blind eye when a witch child disappears. It is good we have this shelter, but it is under constant attack," Ikpe-Itauma said.
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So, this guy is trying to help the abandoned children, but the church is accusing him of starting the problem. Wonderful religion.....
Oh, and as far as the pastor saying Mr. Ikpe-Itauma is ripping off the region?
"Religious leaders capitalize on the ignorance of some parents in the villages just to make some money off them," said Lucky Inyang, project coordinator for 'Stepping Stones Nigeria'.
"They can say your child is a witch and if you bring the child to the church we can deliver the child but eventually they don't deliver the children... The parents go back to the pastor and say, 'why is it you have not been able to deliver the child' and the pastor says 'Oh - this one has gone past deliverance - they've eaten too much flesh so you have to throw the child out.'"
And most pastors charge a fee for deliverance -- anywhere from $300 to $2,000.

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Message 188 of 284 (578816)
09-02-2010 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by archaeologist
09-02-2010 5:08 PM


Re: The Quality of Outrage
there will be times when God does instruct to withhold the insulin as healing is going to take place BUT too often people just do not recognize the right voice or guidance and tragedy takes place.
So you admit that these people who "hear god's voice" are just hearing a bunch of different voices? There is already a clinical definition for that: schizophrenia.
How is the almighty YHWH's voice not clear and concise, if in fact he is actually talking to these people?
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Message 216 of 284 (579106)
09-03-2010 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by Granny Magda
09-03-2010 4:10 PM


Re: Prosecuting Preachers
But couldn't you factor in the level of esteem these preachers are in their respective religious circles? I mean, their congregation sees them as their direct line to god. Disobeying the pastor (I assume, at least for those stupid enough to think faith healing actually works) is akin to disobeying god. They may not be saying exactly "NEVER use modern medicine", but they sure as hell are telling them faith is better.
If I tell my friend he will be better off if he kills his neighbor, I am an accomplice, yes? The guy doesn't even need to respect me: he justs needs to be dumb enough to believe me.

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hooah212002
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Message 229 of 284 (579173)
09-03-2010 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by archaeologist
09-03-2010 6:00 PM


Re: Prosecuting Preachers
which is why i can say the parents should not be prosecuted but the church leadership.
So you are saying religious parents are mindless idiots who are not responsible enough for their children to be held responsible for their deaths? Or should we shift the blame to god for not healing said children?

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hooah212002
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Message 276 of 284 (579716)
09-05-2010 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by archaeologist
09-05-2010 5:02 PM


the parents di dnothing wrong and should not have been prosecuted. atheists need to learn to mind their own business because their families are far worse than christian ones.
Name ONE case where a parent's lack of belief in a deity can be DIRECTLY correlated to their child dying. Just ONE case. DIRECTLY related.

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Message 280 of 284 (579738)
09-05-2010 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by Dr Adequate
09-05-2010 8:16 PM


I only said "lack of belief in a deity" to identify atheists (since arch has no idea what atheism is or atheists are). I didn't mean lack of a belief in a particular deity but belief in another. Jews are hardly atheists.

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