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Message 44 of 188 (646704)
01-06-2012 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Percy
01-06-2012 9:16 AM


Let's look at the evidence.
Speaking of evidence and talking snakes, back in Message 24 in 2006 I posted this evidence.
quote:
Associated Scientific Press 11-05-06 16:42 Patagonia, Argentina: Historia Compuesta
It's been reported that scientists working on the newly discovered species, Najash rionegrina, used an MRI on the remains. Early indications show a completely developed larynx of surprising sophistication, far more mammalian than any seen in any serpents.
Dr Jesus Me'Deocre Falsificado said, off the record, that the one thing that was most surprising was that it was almost as though the mucosa had been removed. "Without the mucosa the creature would have been unable to utter even a sound. However, we are planning additional MRI and Cat Scans and there may be indications of a vestigial mucosa."
The findings will be published in a future edition of Historia Compuesta.
I have not found any followup to this announcement.

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jar
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Message 70 of 188 (653418)
02-20-2012 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by markl67
02-20-2012 9:37 PM


There will be a 101 level course for Creationists.
Creationists have nothing to lose...if we're wrong then we all die like dogs and this life is all there is...
What a pitiful, sad, dismal, pathetic statement. As a Christian is is simply sad that there are still Christians that have been indoctrinated and brainwashed into believing in the fantasy called Creationism.
You have been taught that Creationism is some basic tenet of Christianity when the truth is that most major recognized branches of Christianity understand that Evolution is a fact and that the Theory of Evolution is the only model that explains the diversity of life seen today.
Fortunately God is great and once you die and go to heaven God will have a remedial 101 level course to help the Creationists finally move into reality and truth.

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jar
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Message 73 of 188 (653421)
02-20-2012 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by markl67
02-20-2012 10:59 PM


Re: There will be a 101 level course for Creationists.
Truth is. Evolution is. As a beginning you can think of it as a way to explain "how God did it".
But there is still hope for you, God will see that you at least get a chance to learn. Of course, as in all courses it will be up to you to pay attention and actually study the material.
GOD is far grander than the picayune little bling-bling pimp daddy worshiped by the Creationists.

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jar
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Message 82 of 188 (653451)
02-21-2012 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by markl67
02-20-2012 11:34 PM


Re: There will be a 101 level course for Creationists.
I explained all that in the very post you are responding to when I said "GOD is far grander than the picayune little bling-bling pimp daddy worshiped by the Creationists."
And the fact is that there is no such thing as "The God of the Bible" just as there is no such thing as "The Bible", but those are irrelevant to this topic.
You can see that is fact though when you note that the God that spoke things into existence in the young Genesis 1 story is entirely different than the somewhat bumbling, uncertain, sometimes afraid, learning on the job God in the in the older Genesis 2&3 stories.
Trying to head back towards the topic though, the majority of recognized Christian Churches understand that Evolution is a fact and that the Theory of Evolution is the only model so far that explains the variety and diversity of life we see today. It is why last Sunday was Evolution Sunday.

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jar
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Message 87 of 188 (653481)
02-21-2012 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by dwise1
02-21-2012 3:50 PM


Re: There will be a 101 level course for Creationists.
Evolution Sunday has grown every year and the Clergy Letter Project (not to be conflated with the Clergy Project which is designed to help Christian Clergy (lots of ex Evangelicals and Fundamentalists) who realize they have been indoctrinated in falsehoods and so no longer can preach nonsense like Creationism) has now been endorsed by over 12,000 US Christian Clergy as well as many Jewish Rabbis and Universalists.
The response from the Fundamentalists predictably was to designate the same Sunday each year as Creation Sunday and try to conflate the Clergy Letter Project with the Clergy Project and claim that the Clergy Letter Project is an atheist front. Of course the number of signatures and the list of those signing the Clergy Letter Project refute their assertions and simply show that once again the only answer Creationism has is denial an misrepresentation.

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jar
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Message 92 of 188 (653488)
02-21-2012 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by markl67
02-21-2012 5:05 PM


more misrepresentation
I'm not admitting defeat (not that this is a win-able debate by either side in all likelihood). What I'm saying is submitting a model on creation is not taken seriously because if/when the term "creator" is used its directly tied to God and deemed religious.
Nonsense.
Bring in the creator for testing and examination and present the model and method that critter used so that it can be examined and tested and folk might start taking you seriously.
Until then you have absolutely nothing of value to add to the current knowledge.

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jar
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Message 95 of 188 (653503)
02-21-2012 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by markl67
02-21-2012 7:42 PM


Re: more misrepresentation
Correct, if you are going to try to introduce some creator critter in a science thread then you had best be prepared to bringing that critter in for examination as well as trotting out the tools, model and methods that critter used to effect change.
And posting totally irrelevant quote mines won't help your case. I at least, am not the one denying any of GOD's nature, just pointing out that you are committing an extreme act of hubris and will be judged for that.
You are posting in a science forum and making claims in a science forum and so you will have to learn that over here your myths have little value and you will be expected to provide more than quote mined irrelevant material.
Edited by jar, : you ---> your; appalin spallin

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jar
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Message 97 of 188 (653505)
02-21-2012 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by markl67
02-21-2012 8:41 PM


Re: more misrepresentation
As a suggestion to you, perhaps you could show some respect for others beliefs and stop with the "myths" comments.
No. Beliefs deserve no respect, they should be challenged, questioned, doubted and tested.
As to the rest of your post I have no clue what you're talking about. Calling God a critter and expecting to actually examine Him...and I'm committing hubris...?
Simply pointing out reality and fact. You may believe in some god, I may believe in some god, but beliefs are pretty much worthless on the science side.
Hubris is not just what I call your position, over 12,000 US Christian Clergy say that.
quote:
We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as one theory among others is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge.
From the Clergy Letter Project.
Edited by Admin, : Remove censoring.

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