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Author Topic:   Evolution is True Because Life Needs It
NoNukes
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Message 141 of 188 (670957)
08-21-2012 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by barnes
08-20-2012 7:06 PM


Re: Evolution problem
I'm sure this guy is a troll, completely uninterested in any real discussion. The alternative is even worse.
Let the keeper handle this one.

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The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own. George Bernard Shaw

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NoNukes
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Message 153 of 188 (671004)
08-21-2012 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by barnes
08-21-2012 1:50 PM


Re: Evolution problem,silly story
Question; would the lest aggressive fox survive in the dog eat dog world of natural selection?
Who knows?
Tell me have these foxes given birth to, bobcats or more foxes? Wouldn’t this be an example of adaption through man made manipulation?
Foxes have of course given birth to foxes. The result is not an example of man made manipulation.
Foxes have never given birth to bobcats, and given that the event never happened, such an event is also not an example of man-made manipulation. Instead it is an example of your own over active imagination.
It is also the case that evolution has never been about one animal giving birth to an animal of a different species. I suppose it is possible that you actually believe you are putting forth winning arguments refuting evolution. But in actuality you are attacking some goofy propositions that are not part of the theory of evolution.
Before you can score any points, you have to get in the game.
By the way, car engines don't reproduce. Living creatures do that. You see when mommy really loves daddy....

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own. George Bernard Shaw

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NoNukes
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Message 176 of 188 (671506)
08-26-2012 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by barnes
08-26-2012 6:04 PM


Re: Silly creationist story
Evolutionary change precludes physical change. Adaptation precludes no physical change but improvements relative to the environment.
What does the word "preclude" mean in the sentence above. I cannot come up with any way to make sense out of the sentence.
We are discussing evolution; I was told it doesn’t occur in quantum leaps but on the minute changes. Is it then wrong off me to say minute genetic change is also called cancer; environmental change to the genome is also called cancer. The natural makeup of life combats genetic change. I just want to know how evolution fits in; I understand how adaptation can bring about better foxes.
You are confusing some concepts here. Cancer is a change to an individual and not a change in the offspring produced by the individual. Only the latter involves processes which make up evolution.
In the breeding experiment, we don't see individual foxes become more docile over time, instead we see offspring populations that are more docile than their ancestor population. This process is like evolution in some respects, but the selection is artificial rather than natural.
I would guess like pigs the foxes would return to their created state.
How would that happen?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.
Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own. George Bernard Shaw

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