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onifre
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Message 59 of 181 (649863)
01-26-2012 3:08 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Phat
01-25-2012 3:12 PM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
Yes, im selfish. Yes, I live in the former greatest country the world has ever seen.
I'm sorry, WHAT? Former? Who the heck is better than the US?
We live in the greatest country the world has even seen. We have flaws, sure, who doesn't, but in all fairness we are the best.
Also note that "The US" extends to those nations who's entire economy depend on us.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 64 of 181 (649882)
01-26-2012 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Rrhain
01-26-2012 3:25 AM


Norway. On all measures of societal health, Norway kicks our ass.
Norway? Puleaseee. I had to look them up on a globe, I forgot they even exist.
Norway couldn't kick our ass ever. How many fighter planes do they have?
Better standard of living, longer lives, less stress, etc.
I won't argue with you that Americans are fat and lazy, live shorter lives because of it, and are completely stressed out...especially when there's a long line at the drive-thru.
But the US in terms of being a super power and holding a global ranking is far superior than a country as tiny and irrelevant as Norway.
- Oni

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Message 65 of 181 (649883)
01-26-2012 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Straggler
01-26-2012 8:20 AM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
I got one criteria: who wins in a fight.
US of A. Dispute that if you want, you're wrong.
Franko's list doesn't include amount of celebrities, amount of fighter planes, size of military, freedoms, etc.
Lets all move to slovenia, yeah ok.
His list includes things like greeness, crime, prison population, ALL things the US doesn't look good at due to OVER POPULATION of immigrants from all the other countries on the list, including slovenia.
The US is the best country in the world. I can say that proudly.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 66 of 181 (649887)
01-26-2012 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by frako
01-26-2012 5:45 AM


The World Health Organization's ranking
of the world's health systems.
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
No fair on this one though. You don't have the amount of fast food places we have, thus you have healthier, skinnier people living in your country who tend to get sick less. Your healthcare system can include EVERYONE and look better on paper.
Ours can't. Can you imagine what kind of medical requirements are needed to take care of these over weight slobs?
Greenest Countries - Most Livable Places 2008
15. Slovenia
22. Latvia
23. United States
24. Lithuania
I wouldn't live in those other countries if they were MINT green. I'll enjoy a drive through the good ole USA in my SUV, thank you very much. I'm not sold on the whole "importance" of going green anyway.
Intentional Homicides Per 100,000 People, 2000-2004
Ranked Lowest to Highest
38 Slovenia 1.5 (must have been a bad year)
77 Peru 5.5
78 United States 5.6
79 Uruguay 5.6
Tell Peru and Uruguay to come get their people out of our country and lets see how low our homicide rankings go.
In fact, tell every South American country to come get their people and lets see how low our rakings drop then!
I'm sure if we did a proper cleansing we'd be pretty close to #1.
Olympic Medals/$10Billion GDP
That's how sore lossers breakdown a catagory.
Just add up TOTAL AMOUNT. Period. And of course, we win.
GLOBAL PEACE INDEX 2007
15 Slovenia
95 Yemen
96 USA
97 Iran
This is irrelevant.
- Oni
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onifre
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Message 68 of 181 (649893)
01-26-2012 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by frako
01-26-2012 10:00 AM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
given that the US spends more money on its military then the rest of the world combined youd probably win
Probably? Oh come on, you can say it.
Bin Laden, Hussein, Ghaddafi - who killed those guys? Slovenia? Latvia? Peru? No sir, the US did. And hey rest of the world, you're welcome.
Your only rivals in the world would be china due to the number of soldiers and the pool of people they could in list from.
To be honest, I wouldn't mind terribly if we fell under a Chinese government. Have you seen those guys? They're shreded!
But that probably won't happen for another 15 years.
Well freedoms are silly to compare because most countries in Europe rank 1 place as does the US basicly all free countries.
I'll take that as you saying what I said, we're the best country in the world.
celebrities like Justin Bieber just make me want to get a gun and shoot some body so the less the better
Look, how can I say this and not sound like a dick... It's that celebrities are artist and that makes them special. So you can hate Beiber, but you know him and he doesn't know you. Who wins that exchange?
Actually most people now days are looking to Australia as a country to migrate to, or new Zeland.
21 of the 25 most deadliest snakes live in Australia... no thanks. Don't honey badgers live there too? Fuck that, honey badgers don't care.
Yea and Mcdonalds provides the healthiest food
Good one!
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 70 of 181 (649907)
01-26-2012 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Perdition
01-26-2012 12:02 PM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
Yeah, we killed them...but only after we helped them come to power in the first place
There is zero proof of that.
If we had just left things alone, much of the Middle East would probably be a lot safer and hate us less.
Except for that whole nasty civil war between themselves over three words in the Koran. Yeah, those are reasonable people who should be left alone and ignored.
As for hating us, I doubt we can change that opinion when the rest of the world has (even if they won't admit it) some envy of the US and it's celebrities and overall image. It's not our fault, that's just the culture these days.
The Kardashians are artists?
Um, she's on tv. So yeah.
If that's what art has fallen to, I grieve for our children.
The Kardashinas are the least of your worries when it comes to kids. Happy Meals should worry you more.
The fact is, except for unnecessary military might, the US has fallen in every rank that matters (to most people) such as health, happiness, longevity, and standard of living.
I just can't believe that's true. I see people at football games on tv, they are happy as shit! Old people too. With season passes. Happy, old people, watching football in great seats. You're telling me other countries have that? I didn't think so.
The fact that we can blow up the world does nothing for me if I'm dead long before I would otherwise be in another country, and struggling just to eat while I am living.
But that's how you rank a country, by it's military power and overall control. So it should make you proud actually. No one in the US is struggling to eat, believe me.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 72 of 181 (649914)
01-26-2012 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Perdition
01-26-2012 1:38 PM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
There is zero proof that we aided Saddam Hussein, or trained Osama Bin Laden to fight the Russians? Really?
Hearsay mostly. But as far as wiki goes, there is zero tangible evidence.
The overall image of America, during the past decade, was one of a bully.
Liberal media propaganda.
Ask the Iraqi citizens that we liberated if we were bullies, or the Afghans when we killed the Taliban, or the miners from Chille when we saved their ass, if we are bullies.
A lot of people like to use the term bully way too freely. The US doesn't just invade a country willie nillie and push people around, we aren't Iran or Syria. Sometimes you have to kick a little butt to change the way people behave, but not all the time. I mean, how else do you propose we make middle easterners think like us? Ask them nicely?
That's the onyl criteria you need to be considered an artist? Does that mean any criminal who makes the news, or Dateline is an artist?
Don't be silly.
What I am worried about is their mental development. Calling the Kardashians artists degrades the value of the word art.
She's a model, can dance, has her own clothing line and fragrance, sings too... What else does one need to do to be an artist? She's been rewarded with a tv show for a reason. Networks don't make mistakes.
Have you ever seen Brazillians at a soccer game?
Yeah, it's chaos! I wouldn't compare that to watching a game at Soldier Field.
So believe what you will. I'll believe the polls done over a wide spectrum of citizens to determine the voerall happiness of a country.
I look around, I just don't see who is unhappy. Polls or not, go to a bar, everyone is having a good time watching a game on tv. Go to any one of the malls in the US, they're FULL. People aren't shopping like that if they're not happy.
Why would anyone want to commit suicide when they could hit an Applebees during happy hour and really enjoy themselves?
That's how you rank a country. Not me.
It's a simple ranking system. You don't need a bunch of polls and surveys of people or HUGE economical studies, or healthcare studies, etc... It's like football, the team who beats everyone is the Super Bowl champion. And this year it won't be the Packers.
So just imagine every other country in the world is the Green Bay Packers and the US is the NY Giants. Simple.
The bully who's bigger and stronger may be feared, but he doesn't have many friends, and is often depressed when not in a crowd.
For a country with not a lot of friends we sure have a lot of people around the world asking for hand outs.
Yes there are. Believe me.
I just jogged by a Mc Donalds, believe ME they're NOT struggling.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 75 of 181 (649939)
01-26-2012 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Straggler
01-26-2012 3:42 PM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
The new Oni is a dickwad I don't like him.
You would love him in the gym. Great workout partner.
Yeah well let's go then. Me and you muthafucka!! I'll kick your yanky ass.
Listen buck-o, you don't want to tangle with the likes of me, not these days especially. My squat presses alone would make you quiver in fear.
You can say that ignorantly. Other than NY City (which should be wholesale teleported to Western Europe) you can keep it.
New York is a great city, but you know what's a great city too? Alabama and Georgia.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 82 of 181 (650038)
01-27-2012 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Perdition
01-26-2012 3:16 PM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
There's more than wiki available.
Yeah, but I'm talking factual stuff. Not nonsense from who knows what website.
Show me a liberal media (with the possible exception of MSNBC) and maybe I'd believe this.
The Daily Show and every god damn writer on that staff...bunch of elitist if you ask me. All the writers on Colbert's show, South Park, basically everything on TV is liberal.
But ask the family members of the innocent Iraqis we killed how they view us. Same for Afghanistan.
Their answer would be emotional rather than logical, so I wouldn't consider it.
But if you ask the one's we liberated they'll say we're not bullies.
It was easier and safer, in the later half of the past decade to say you were Canadian when abroad than American.
I highly doubt that. You tell any country you're American, they see dollar signs! You'll be treated with respect in most any place. Not the middle east of course, or at least not in all of the middle east, but it'll take 2 years to change that opinion if we vote the right way come November.
No, we usually have very good reasons for invading other countries...usually that they're going to stop selling us whatever it is we buy from them at a cheap price in an attempt to make their countries more prosperous.
You're making stuff up now. This is conspiracy nonsense.
We invade when they're a threat to the US and our way of life.
Why should they think like us?
Because it's the right way to think.
Maybe something artistic? She was awarded a TV show because she's attractive and rich. Much the same reason much of the "housewives" on the various "Real Housewives" shows and the Jersey Shore
She acts in front of the camera, stop being a hater, she's an artist.
I'm not happy when I'm shopping, why would anyone else be?
That's not true.
The winner of the Super Bowl is only the team that won their last 3 (or 4) games. Hardly everyone.
Um, your math is screwy. The Giants beat the shit out of the Packers, thus they beat the 15 teams the Packers beat during the regular season.
Secondly, the people who are really struggling wouldn't be at McDonald's would they? If they can't afford to buy food, standing in front of a Micky D's would be pretty torturous.
They shouldn't be there anyway so they're actually winning.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 94 of 181 (650107)
01-27-2012 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Buzsaw
01-27-2012 8:54 AM


Re: Oni Right On The US. Straggler Straggles
Admittedly, that's where the present regime is taking/has taken the US of A.
Hit the nail on the head. Well said. Huge emphasis on 'regime'.
You can cite exceptions relative to some aspects of my message. By and large, the US of A is and has been the most productive, free, prosperous and benevolent.
Exceptions can always be sited (you spelled it right the first time) but you're right, it shouldn't be cause for removing the US of A from numero uno.
The problem is, nationalism and patriotism are "not cool" these days, and so it's become all the rave to hate on us. But let a problem anywhere arise, who do they call? Not the ghostbusters. The US of A. And in ALL cases we resolve the issue and leave the place better than it was.
- Oni
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onifre
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Message 135 of 181 (650557)
02-01-2012 1:33 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by Buzsaw
01-27-2012 4:01 PM


Re: Oni Right On USA. Straggler Straggles
Oni and Buzsaw don't have a lot in common, but we both have enough appreciation for the good life the US of A has afforded us, our parents, our grand parents and their forbears for the last two centuries.
I heard a fact today, it said you're right about the fact that I appreciate the good life the US of A has afforded me.
These brits won't get it because they're too busy being socialists.
- Oni

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Message 136 of 181 (650558)
02-01-2012 1:48 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Perdition
01-27-2012 10:30 AM


Re: Domestic fairness versus global fairness
The link led to a quote from the former director of the CIA. I'd consider him a pretty good source.
Former? Um, I don't find that to be a valid source. He may have gotten fired for lying about this very subject. I'll just assume he did.
The "liberal media" supposedly refers to biased reporting in news shows.
No, that would be the liberal NEWS. Media is any source of, well, media. And ALL sources of media in the US are either gay, liberal or jewish...but always wrong. Especially the jews.
Their answer would be emotional, too, not logical, so I wouldn't consider that if you won't consider mine.
Well there's a problem, mine is right. Yours is just plain wrong.
Or turning the whole region to glass so there are no more people in the area to dislike us. This could take considerably less than two years, assuming the Republicans gain control of the entire government. However, this would probably make our reputation in the rest of the world go down a peg or six.
This is the ONLY way I see it going down in a way that works. As far as the rest of the world's opinion of us, HA! They better keep it to themselves if they know what's good for them.
Yes, and "our way of life" includes cheap bananas and oil. (See Nicaragua)
Which has now changed to burgers and tacos. (See all the fatties)
But the Packers beat the Giants first, meaning the Giants beat themselves
And my point stands, they beat EVERYBODY, including themselves.
The US of A is the best cause we could destroy any country, including our own!
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 137 of 181 (650560)
02-01-2012 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by Straggler
01-29-2012 9:28 AM


Re: Capitalism may have a dark side....
But in global standard of living terms I suspect you and I are very much still amongst the richest.
We hold ourselves to a higher standard than the rest of the world, you should know that. Just look at our version of The Office compared to yours.
So while they may want to be at the level of our poor class, and believe me that's where we want them to stay, we cannot as Americans use that as OUR standard.
We are better than them and should not only realize we are, but remind them we are on a daily basis by complaining that we want more at the cost of every other country having less.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 142 of 181 (650601)
02-01-2012 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by Perdition
02-01-2012 10:43 AM


You're about to cross the line
What, you mean completely losing the premise? I mean, what kind of "office documentary" would run for 7 years? At leas the UK version kept themselves honest.
Holy mothereffing shits! [*BLINK*] You did not just say that?
What runs for 7 years? I don't know, a successful TV show?
Better actors, deeper involvement in the characters, deeper plots, much more loavble characters, and for christ sake Steve Carell is better than that no talent, wanna-be edgy, snaggle toothed hack that Gevais is.
Even Gervais thinks so. The only good thing Gervais did was loose weight.
ALL American shows beat british shows. What's next, someone is going to come out in defense of the IT Crowd or Downton Abbey? Kill yourselves.
- Oni

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Message 146 of 181 (650626)
02-01-2012 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by Straggler
02-01-2012 11:43 AM


Re: Capitalism may have a dark side....
A moral example to us all. Especially your government. The phrase "moral high ground" was invented for you guys.
Now you're getting it. But I have a sneaking suspicion that you're being sarcastic. For shame, Straggler.
I'll just have to hope that you're being genuine and have seen the errors of your thinking.
Steve Carrell is indeed physically, morally and dramatically superior to Ricky Gervais. He's probably paid more too. And he has better teeth.
Agreed.
Ahhhh yes. The American dream. Where anyone can aspire to be as wealthy as Mitt Romney except the poor people. They can't. Obviously. Because then there wouldn't be anyone to do the work that makes those living the dream so rich.
Absolutely true. With one exception of course, and that's athletes. The, for obvious reasons, best members of our society. No fatties, and that makes the US look good.
The application of the American dream on a global scale. This is what makes your nation so loved around the world.
So now it's Buz, Phat, Straggler and myself with the same opinion of the American dream. If we could only get Dronester.
Our team is growing guys!
- Oni

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