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Faith
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Message 631 of 710 (801674)
03-08-2017 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 628 by Son Goku
03-08-2017 2:48 PM


Re: More evidence of the horrors in Europe for you all to deny
What I mean is, I have noticed a tendency to lump all of Europe together as if it were some mega-county, when something happens in Norway, let's say, I'll often see right-wing American media outlets say it shows how "Europe is spiraling out of control".

I'm just following the terminology on the videos. The "Muslim invasion of Europe" seems to be a common idea. Besides, hasn't the EU sort of made it all a "mega country?" Isn't that the whole point of the EU?

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Rrhain
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Message 632 of 710 (801676)
03-08-2017 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 612 by Faith
03-08-2017 9:57 AM


Re: More evidence of the horrors in Europe for you all to deny
Because we all know a Christian would *NEVER* desecrate a menorah or engage in any sort of anti-Semitic behavior during Yom Kippur.

Vandals attack menorahs in Park Slope and Prospect Heights

Vandals broke two public menorahs in Park Slope and Prospect Heights on Monday night, according to a local rabbi who believes the attacks were fueled by hate — anti-Semitic or otherwise.

That's from 2016.

Sun City synagogue copes in wake of vandalism of menorah, Holocaust memorial

Congregants at a Jewish synagogue in the West Valley received an outpouring of community support this week after vandals attacked a Holocaust memorial and menorah on the first night of Hanukkah.

"It was just very shocking," said Irene Smith, president of Temple Beth Shalom in Sun City. "To think they would desecrate the Holocaust memorial. It's very hurtful … We have people who are survivors, and it's very painful for them."

Again, from 2016.

Jewish brothers attacked by goons uttering ‘F--king Jews’ after attending Yom Kippur services in Brooklyn

Two Jewish brothers walking home from Yom Kippur services in Brooklyn were attacked by three men who uttered anti-Semitic slurs, police sources said.

And why do I get the feeling that Faith has nothing to say regarding the bomb threats that have been directed at Jewish centers and synagogues around the country of late?

You know...the ones Trump claims are being carried out by Jews.

But hey, there's only been more than 100 of them. It's not like it's anything to worry about, right?


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Message 633 of 710 (801679)
03-08-2017 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 631 by Faith
03-08-2017 7:14 PM


Re: More evidence of the horrors in Europe for you all to deny
Faith writes:

quote:
I'm just following the terminology on the videos.

And if someone lies to you, you'll repeat the lie if you like it?

Is lying for Jesus not a sin?

Quick question, Faith:

What's the percentage of the population of Europe (assume the European Union) that is Muslim?

quote:
Besides, hasn't the EU sort of made it all a "mega country?" Isn't that the whole point of the EU?

No and no.

Quick question, Faith:

What are the differences among:

The European Union
The Eurozone
The European Single Market
The European Union Customs Union

Another quick question, Faith:

Did the North American Free Trade Agreement turn Canada, the US, and Mexico into one "mega country"?


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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frako
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Message 634 of 710 (801691)
03-09-2017 3:18 AM
Reply to: Message 631 by Faith
03-08-2017 7:14 PM


Re: More evidence of the horrors in Europe for you all to deny
Besides, hasn't the EU sort of made it all a "mega country?" Isn't that the whole point of the EU?

As an European i haveto say hell to the no.

Every country has its own constitution, its own laws, its own politicians, its own language....

The whole thing was originally set up to make one big standerdised market. Im not saying we are not gething there to become something like the united states but we are still way off.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Son Goku
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Message 635 of 710 (801716)
03-09-2017 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 631 by Faith
03-08-2017 7:14 PM


Re: More evidence of the horrors in Europe for you all to deny
I'm just following the terminology on the videos.

I should have been clearer actually, I was referring to the tendency in general rather than your use of it.

Besides, hasn't the EU sort of made it all a "mega country?" Isn't that the whole point of the EU?

First of all, several countries in Europe are not part of the EU, Norway being an example.

Secondly, there are enormous differences between EU member countries at the legal level and even larger ones at the cultural level. They are simply not one "mega-country" in any realistic sense. Of course all the countries do have a politco-economic union now, but they are a long long way off from being like states in the US.
However I understand how it might seem like they are sort of a single country. I could go into more detail on how they are not, if you want.


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Faith
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Message 636 of 710 (801717)
03-09-2017 10:24 AM
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03-09-2017 10:02 AM


Re: More evidence of the horrors in Europe for you all to deny
I'm sure you know and I don't, but I don't really see why it matters much. Those seem like rather academic points considering what a big brouhaha Brexit made, but I'll take your word for it. When it comes to the Muslim refugees, however, it seems that Europe more or less in general is taking them in in great numbers, and pretending all is well when it isn't. I know there are exceptions. Hungary, and perhaps the Balkans in general? are rejecting them. ? Greece is being flooded with them, Italy has problems, France has huge problems, the UK has problems, Germany has huge problems, and the Netherlands and Belgium have theirs, so does Sweden, and Norway does too. As I keep hearing it anyway. There are videos of Muslim problems coming out of all of them. I understand all of it is denied of course.


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Genomicus
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Message 637 of 710 (801719)
03-09-2017 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 636 by Faith
03-09-2017 10:24 AM


Re: More evidence of the horrors in Europe for you all to deny
There are videos of Muslim problems coming out of all of them. I understand all of it is denied of course.

There are videos of right-wing Christian problems coming out of all of them, too. I understand all of it is denied by you, of course.

Look, Faith. This is a debate site. And reasonable, sharp-thinking people don't carry out debates with videos. Videos can be used as an auxiliary aid to demonstrate an overall concept (as Modulous did recently), but they aren't sufficient lines of evidence to demonstrate that there is a "Muslim Problem" in Europe or elsewhere.

So. Get to work. Dig up that evidence.


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PaulK
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Message 638 of 710 (801721)
03-09-2017 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 636 by Faith
03-09-2017 10:24 AM


Re: More evidence of the horrors in Europe for you all to deny
Brexit ? Seems there was an even bigger brouhaha when some States tried to leave the Union.
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Faith
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Message 639 of 710 (801728)
03-09-2017 11:06 AM


Some more evidence of Muslim problem in Europe you can all deny
Here's an article from a year ago about the migrant situation in Europe, focusing on a long list of headlines on the subject.

The Muslim Migrant Invasion and the Collapse of Europe

Perhaps the most important statistic which stands out comes from the United Nations itself, which reports that 75% of the migrants are “young, fit males.” I believe it was Mark Steyn who wryly noted, “That’s not the demographics of a civilian population displaced by war, that’s the demographics of an army.” Ironically, even a handmade sign (see photo below) by migrants camped in Calais, France proves the point: out of the camp’s population of 3455, 2861 are men… 82.8%. 

Long long list of headlines at bottom of the article, I'm copying out only maybe a quarter of them. They are all links to articles.

The End of Europe in Headline Format, September 2015 – March 2016
(Most recent stories at top…)

‘Underage’ Migrant Rapes 15-year-old on second day in Sweden

Sweden: Cruise For 1,700 School Kids Ends In Tragedy As Migrant Passengers Gang-Rape Girl

‘If We Had to Rely on Brussels We Would Long Ago Been Flooded with Jihadists’: President of Macedonia Lashes Out at EU, Germany

Top Judge On Migrant Crisis: ‘Authorities Are No Longer In Charge’
Orban: Migrants ‘Horde Of Evil’

Hungarian Leader Orbán Blames EU For Migrant Crisis, Foresees The ‘Destruction Of Europe’

After Brussels Attack: ‘Europe Won’t Exist In Ten Years’

Migrant Arrivals In Greece Top One Million In A Year

Slovenia to Ban Transit of Migrants as Crisis Spirals

“Never Seen Anything Like This Before” – Sweden Stunned

At “Unreal” Surge In Refugee Sex Attacks

Swedish Police Chief tells girls: ‘Don’t go out after sunset or you’ll be raped or worse’ (by Muslim migrants)

CHRISTIAN CONVERTS FLEE GERMAN ASYLUM CENTRES AFTER MUSLIM INTIMIDATION

Austria: Sharia patrol beats man who told them to stop threatening his wife and daughter for not being correctly dressed

In Denmark, 84 Per Cent Of Welfare Recipients Are ‘Non-Western Immigrants’

Leaked Police Document: More Migrants Means More Crime

Migrant Gang Violence Boils Over In Vienna, Leaving Several Hospitalised

Surrender: Police in Swedish city tell women not to walk alone for fear of Muslim migrants

Multiple Young Boys Need Surgery After Being Raped In Calais ‘Jungle’ Camp

Germany will take in 500,000 more Muslim migrants this year alone

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caffeine
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Message 640 of 710 (801733)
03-09-2017 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 639 by Faith
03-09-2017 11:06 AM


Re: Some more evidence of Muslim problem in Europe you can all deny
Long long list of headlines at bottom of the article, I'm copying out only maybe a quarter of them. They are all links to articles.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to demonstrate with a long list of headlines. The only thing that demonstrates is that there are other people who agree with you - some of whom publish newspapers and websites; and some of whom are elected to office. But we already knew that. One of the main self-appointed defenders of European civilisation against the invading Muslim hordes in this country, a politician called Tomio Okamura, issued the famous warning that 'Every kebab purchased is another step closer to the burka'*.

But the fact that we have people spreading this panic in a part of Europe where there are hardly any Muslims, and where hardly any Muslims immigrants have any interest in coming; suggests that the existence of panic is not sufficient evidence that Europe is falling down around our ears.

*He published an article on his Facebook page, I don't think he originally wrote it.


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Faith
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Message 641 of 710 (801734)
03-09-2017 11:35 AM
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03-09-2017 11:30 AM


Re: Some more evidence of Muslim problem in Europe you can all deny
I knew it would be denied. Since the MSM won't report this stuff and the European press is also disposed to ignore and deny it, the only sources are such as Jihad Watch and the rest of us who care about it. If all you will accept are the MSM then I guess you'll just dismiss anything I can come up with.
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Faith
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Message 642 of 710 (801736)
03-09-2017 11:41 AM
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03-09-2017 10:27 AM


Re: More evidence of the horrors in Europe for you all to deny
I doubt there are Christian rightwing problems but show me if you want. I also don't care because it's just changing the subject.

The first video of the Chrismas tree was apparently quite true, the burning of the tree in Bruseels after they pushed a car down what, an escalator, and they were Muslims, but that one doesn't interest you for some reason. The other one still looks like an attack on the tree to me, they are pulling things off it. The men are not wearing hats either, as reported by Snopes. Those aren't revelers, those are people destroying a tree.

As for digging up evidence, the only evidence there is comes from sites I favor because the Left denies it all, so good luck finding anything anybody here would take seriously. Ridiculous, it's perfectly obvious there is a huge Muslim problem in Europe, but oh well. It's only when it bites you in the butt you MIGHT take it seriously.; Maybe not even then. Oh that was really a rightwing Christian.


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Genomicus
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Message 643 of 710 (801738)
03-09-2017 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 639 by Faith
03-09-2017 11:06 AM


Re: Some more evidence of Muslim problem in Europe you can all deny
Donald Trump should you recruit you for his propaganda arm. Your boi Ralph Sidway @ JihadWatch is cherry-picking data -- and unsurprisingly, you fell for it.

Perhaps the most important statistic which stands out comes from the United Nations itself, which reports that 75% of the migrants are “young, fit males.”

Nope. Your propagandist Ralph Sidway links to a UNHCR page which breaks down the demographics of sea arrivals across the Mediterranean; a total of 362,376 refugees arrived across the Mediterranean Sea in 2016; of these, 57.7% of these were men, and only a fraction are combat age. And we all know from elementary school that 57.7% is not 75% (perhaps Ralph is dyslexic, so we can excuse him on that point).

Further, when we look to a more complete, larger data set -- the total number of Syrian refugees -- we find that 51.5% are male and 48.5% are female, a pretty even split.

Long long list of headlines at bottom of the article, I'm copying out only maybe a quarter of them. They are all links to articles.

You seem to have been reduced to just a link-churning machine, instead of an analytical individual capable of original and independent thinking. Clickbait headlines don't mean a thing; what we need is actual evidence (statistically validated) that OMG-Europe-is-collapsing-because-of-Muslims-climbing-Christmas-trees.

Edited by Genomicus, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 644 of 710 (801740)
03-09-2017 11:48 AM
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03-09-2017 11:42 AM


Re: Some more evidence of Muslim problem in Europe you can all deny
I've followed Jihad Watch for years and I'll trust them over you any day, especially since video after video after video shows hordes of young men in various European countries without a single woman or child in sight.
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Genomicus
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Message 645 of 710 (801742)
03-09-2017 11:52 AM
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03-09-2017 11:48 AM


Re: Some more evidence of Muslim problem in Europe you can all deny
I've followed Jihad Watch for years and I'll trust them over you any day, especially since video after video after video shows hordes of young men in various European countries without a single woman or child in sight.

True or False: the very link that Ralph Sidway used to support his position (UNHCR) contradicted his assertion that 75% of arrivals are male.


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