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Buzsaw
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Message 1 of 171 (477414)
08-01-2008 10:24 PM


This evening as I was driving down I86 I was listening to the Mark Levin talk show. Mark was interviewing Dr. Jerome Corsi, NY Times best seller author of the Swiftboat book. Dr Jerome's new book, "The Obama Nation" just came into the bookstores today, as I understand it. Corsi's book documents much of the stuff relative to Obama that I've been posting here at EvC over the past months. The book has 600 footnotes and has been thouroughly lawyered so as to make sure there's no probability of lawsuits etc.
Scrupulously sourced with more than six hundred footnotes, THE OBAMA NATION is the result of that research. By tracing Obama's career and influences from his early years in Hawaii and Indonesia, the beginnings of his political career in Chicago, his voting record in the Illinois legislature, his religious training and his adoption of Christianity through to his recent involvement in Kenyan politics, his political advisors and fund-raising associates, and his meteoric campaign for president, Jerome Corsi shows that an Obama presidency, would, in his words, be "a repeat of the failed extremist politics that have characterized and plagued Democratic Party politics since the late 1960s.
" In this stunning and comprehensive new book, the reader will learn about:
Obama's extensive connections with Islam and radical politics, from his father's and stepfather's Islamic backgrounds, to his Communist and socialist mentors in Hawaii and Chicago, to his long-term and close associations with former Weather Underground heroes William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn”associations much closer than heretofore revealed by the press Barack and wife Michelle's twenty-year-long religious affiliation with the black-liberation theology of former Trinity United Church of Christ Reverend Jeremiah Wright, whose sermons have always been steeped in a rage first expressed by Frantz Fanon, Stokely Carmichael, and Malcolm X, a rage that Corsi shows has deep meaning for Obama

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Buzsaw
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Message 21 of 171 (477588)
08-05-2008 6:37 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Hyroglyphx
08-03-2008 10:53 PM


Re: Jerome Corsi
NJ writes:
Well, I just read a small biography of the man and can only conclude something similar. Although I am certain that much of what the book entails is true, perhaps some embarrassing idiosyncrasies, an extreme bias is also not something I am interested in.
Would you mind posting the biography source? How objective was it?
From Mark Levin's extensive interview with Corsi and last night's brief interview of him with Glen Beck, I don't see him as a viper hatchet man at all. The man's book has no less than 700 footnotes to back up his claims.
From my own research the following statement from my OP of this thread is right on:
Obama's extensive connections with Islam and radical politics, from his father's and stepfather's Islamic backgrounds, to his Communist and socialist mentors in Hawaii and Chicago, to his long-term and close associations with former Weather Underground heroes William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn”associations much closer than heretofore revealed by the press Barack and wife Michelle's twenty-year-long religious affiliation with the black-liberation theology of former Trinity United Church of Christ Reverend Jeremiah Wright, whose sermons have always been steeped in a rage first expressed by Frantz Fanon, Stokely Carmichael, and Malcolm X, a rage that Corsi shows has deep meaning for Obama
Perhaps in this thread members who take issue with the above may work to refute one or more of the connections listed here. So far all we see is substanceless yada from Corsi critiques.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 22 of 171 (477589)
08-05-2008 6:40 AM


On Friday a lightning bolt knocked out a transformer and my phone/computer line and I just got back on line yesterday PM. My apologies for the delay in responding.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 24 of 171 (477660)
08-05-2008 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Modulous
08-05-2008 9:52 AM


Re: Footnotes
Hi Modulous. It's good to see some input from you. I haven't checked your profile but haven't seen anything from you for a spell.
1. A lot of what Corsi states in the book is taken directly from Obama's books and what Obama says etc. From the Levin interview it's quite obvious that he's done his homework extensively before making statements. There's no doubt whatsoever that the Frank in the book is Frank Marshall Davis. That's a well established fact.
2. Since this is a critique of a person, Corsi says he has footnoted so as to avoid lawsuits. On the Levine show he said the book was extensively lawyered so as also to avoid lawsuits and to make sure what he said was reliable.
3. Your analogy of a book on evolution which has a thousand footnotes is a poor analogy since most of the footnotes would be data on science and not a controversial topic.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 26 of 171 (477808)
08-08-2008 12:04 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Modulous
08-06-2008 8:26 AM


Re: Footnotes
Modulous writes:
I appreciate that you don't doubt that Frank is Mr Davis, but 'well established fact'? Can you care to go beyond simply saying as much and establish it for me? If the establishment is so well, it should be trivial, yes?
Further, this ignores the rather important point that the relationship with "Frank" as described in Obama's book does not seem to be the kind of relationship (eg., mentor, father figure etc) peddled by Corsi et al.
This association is just one of a number of corroborated associations of Obama which implicate him as a hard core socialist and as a borderline Marxist who's agenda includes the redistribution of wealth to the extent that socialist regimes have gone in the past, a policy which reduced the nations to what we have witnessed in the days of the USSR.
This policy empowers heads of state and reduces the power of the people eventually to what the continent of Europe endured during the last century with the impoverishment of the citizenry, the murder of over a hundred million citizens by their own tyrannical socialist governments and the bankruptcy of the nations.
The AP identifies Frank Marshal Davis. It's all over the net and an established fact.
Although Davis does not appear to have been a constant figure in his early life, Obama in his 1995 memoir, "Dreams from My Father," presents Davis ” referred to in the book only as Frank ” as an important influence who gave him advice about race and college.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 29 of 171 (477832)
08-08-2008 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by kongstad
08-08-2008 7:18 AM


Re: Footnotes
Kongstad writes:
You have yet to come up with a single argument as to why this book is not just as much of a hack job as the earlier book the author was ossociated with (the swift boat debacle)
Perhaps you or someone else could refute with your own documentation a specific statement or statements in the book.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 32 of 171 (477897)
08-08-2008 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by kongstad
08-08-2008 8:38 AM


Re: Footnotes
kongstad writes:
I haven't read the book. But I believe I refuted your argument that if Obame had a socialist as a mentor, then Obama must have marxist leanings.
So we can agree that whether Frank was a socialist or not, this has no bearing on whether Obama harbours marxist leanings, yes?
1. Obama's stated ambitions for government and his past record is and has been socialistic for the most part.
2. When he did't vote the leftist POV he simply refused to vote whenever a leftist vote would be unpopular for his political ambitions.
3. His socialist/Marxist mentor, Frank, would be proud of his record and the slick way he skirts around the specifics of issues in statements he makes while campaigning. He has mastered the ability to be all things to all men that he might win the maximum. A good example of this is his statement on the 2nd Amendment which is the right to bear arms.
His statement was that he knew what he believed about the 2nd Amendment and that he knew it guaranteed the right to bear arms. What he didn't tell America is what he thought about the 2nd Amendment or whether he agreed to it. Nor did he say whether he would honor it as stated or interpret it as gun owners interpret it.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 44 of 171 (478477)
08-15-2008 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by NosyNed
08-15-2008 8:01 PM


Re: Obama campaign's anti smear website
The mainstream media which is heavily pro-Obama has released a 40 page smear of Corsi which has been higly publicized. I listened to the Mark Levine show this eve and Mark has shown on his show that a significant number of documentation sources of the criticisms of the book are questionable and being in small print are not aired. He cited some specifics which were outright lies. The Corsi smear is heavy on criticism and light on substance.
The bottom line is what in Corsi's book, THE OBAMA NATION has been heavily lawyered from liabel. It is accurate.
This thread is about the book perse. What in this book can you falsify?
I might add that Floyd Brown, political activist who has circulated adds revealing the fact that Obama was a Muslim through age 7 etc. He is also under attack for these adds, which, btw, are also accurate.
In the eyes of the Muslim world, Obama is a Muslim. That's how Islam works. Once a Muslim = a Muslim to death as per Haddiths, Sunnas and the Koran. Thus the endorsement by Jehadist Hammas and most of the Muslim world for Obama as the US and for that matter the planet top man in authority.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 47 of 171 (478575)
08-17-2008 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Rrhain
08-16-2008 11:42 AM


Rrhain writes:
Buzsaw writes:
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I might add that Floyd Brown, political activist who has circulated adds revealing the fact that Obama was a Muslim through age 7 etc. He is also under attack for these adds, which, btw, are also accurate.
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Incorrect. See the refutation in the publication.
The alleged refutation is no refutation by the biased publication. Islam recognizes the religion of the father as the religion for his children.
The publication says it was for convenience. Baloney! It was his religion up through age 7. He practiced some of Islam while in school. If he was a Christian he would have been listed as one.
He was enrolled as Muslim in both Muslim and Catholic schools.
Rrhain writes:
Buzsaw writes:
In the eyes of the Muslim world, Obama is a Muslim.
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That's how Islam works. Once a Muslim = a Muslim to death as per Haddiths, Sunnas and the Koran.
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Then you have a problem as Obama has never been a Muslim.
Of course, we have another problem:
Why do you care if he is?
Because he's claiming he's never been one when he knows better. He was born a Muslim and given a Muslim name.
Why is he disclaiming ever being a Muslim? Because most terrorists on the planet are Muslims and it wouldn't bode well for his bid for the highest office on the planet.
Both his father and step father were Muslims, the latter the more devout as I understand it. Evidently his mother favored Muslim husbands as she married two of them.
Obama's so called Christian church at Chicago is cozy with the Nation of Islam here in America, awarding the highest honor to Muslim Louis Farrakhan. There's a reason Obama favored that church. Go figure.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 54 of 171 (478794)
08-20-2008 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Jaderis
08-10-2008 2:24 AM


Re: Footnotes
Jaderis writes:
What exactly are the Obama policies which include a "redistribution of wealth to the extent that socialist regimes have gone in the past" especially one equivalent to what we "witnessed in the days of the USSR?"
Just one example will do (and, of course, the explanation as to why it is even remotely comparable to former Soviet policies or even to other far left policies of current countries).
Soaking the productive rich and the productive middle working class to enrich the poor, the non-productive, and the lazy, i.e. to equalize all citizens, i.e. commune-ism.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 56 of 171 (478798)
08-20-2008 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Modulous
08-20-2008 9:33 AM


Re: Libel
Since when has something 'heavily lawyered' necessarily been accurate? Furthermore, if Obama wanted to sue for libel, what would he be required to demonstrate? Is it possible that a lawyer could ensure their client is technically protected against litigation even if the offending comments are blatantly false?
I would have to agree with you here that not all which is lawyered is accurate. There are some citations in the Rrhain link which may be debatable and which I need to consider.
However, I am convinced that by and large, the Corsi book is credible with many irrefutable and significant facts which voters should be aware of before casting their vote.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 58 of 171 (478800)
08-20-2008 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by subbie
08-20-2008 9:03 PM


Communism/Socialism
Subbie, the requirement Jesus gave to the rich man was to the specific rich man and him alone. Jesus knew his heart that his heart was in his riches. Jesus never stated this as a requirement for nations or cultures. If it weren't for the affluent, he would not have had an honorable burrial. This is not a Biblical requirement. Many rich, like King Solomon became so by God's providence.
Subbie, if you like socialism and communism, i.e. enforced equality aside from the ruling hierarchy tyrants who enrich themselves and who are the only enriched, go for it. Vote for Obama.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 60 of 171 (478802)
08-20-2008 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by anglagard
08-20-2008 9:15 PM


Re: Footnotes
anglagard writes:
In the last 35 years, the tax code has been used to soak the productive middle class and poor to enrich the non-productive, and the lazy, rich (ex. Paris Hilton) i.e. to impoverish most citizens, i.e. banana republic-anism.
Yah sure, Anglagard. Right on, comrad. Go for it. Vote Obama; soak the productive rich who provide the jobs for the middle class; soak the rich who are now footing some 90+ percentage of the tax burden so that they will have no incentive to produce just to pay taxes.
And BTW, soak the oil producers so their average 8% net modest income will be less and they will have little incentive to produce more energy.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 61 of 171 (478804)
08-20-2008 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by subbie
08-20-2008 9:23 PM


Re: Communism/Socialism
Whatever, Subbie. I'm just telling you what the man says he will implement for the US of A. Haven't you listened to his repetitive logo, that he will CHANGE America?
You have to commend the man, nonetheless. He's at least for-warning America as to what to expect under his regime.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 63 of 171 (478808)
08-20-2008 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by subbie
08-20-2008 9:44 PM


Re: Communism/Socialism
Subbie, friend, no; for sure, Obama is no idiot. Like Hitler, he's a master charismatic minipulator/orator who can present himself as all things to all men. With Palosi and Co, all Obama things are possible to change America from the US of A into the American Socalist Regime. (ASR).
Edited by Buzsaw, : correct Palosi spelling

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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