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Topic: Were there Dinosaurs in the Bible?
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Hydarnes
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Message 16 of 222 (134351)
08-16-2004 1:45 PM
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Actually, scripture alludes to a Dinosaur in Job 40: 15-24. This message has been edited by Hydarnes, 08-16-2004 12:45 PM
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 17 of 222 (134356)
08-16-2004 1:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 16 by Hydarnes
08-16-2004 1:45 PM
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Scripture also alludes to the sky being a tent with holes through which the stars shine through. In other words, I'm not particularly impressed that the Bible mentions a large beast; nor that nature's creativity often beats human imagination to the punch.
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Hydarnes
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Message 18 of 222 (134361)
08-16-2004 2:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 17 by crashfrog
08-16-2004 1:54 PM
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This has to do with dinosaurs. And I'm not particularly fond of getting off on twitty tangents.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 19 of 222 (134362)
08-16-2004 2:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 16 by Hydarnes
08-16-2004 1:45 PM
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Well, let's look at that reference.
15: Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
16: Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
17: He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18: His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
19: He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
20: Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
21: He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
22: The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
23: Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
24: He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares. So where is the Dinosaur in that chapter? It takes a fertile imagination to see a dinosaur in any of that.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 20 of 222 (134363)
08-16-2004 2:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 18 by Hydarnes
08-16-2004 2:01 PM
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This has to do with dinosaurs. Ok, well, then, hopefully this isn't too "twitty" for you: How can dinosaurs be mentioned in the Bible when the last dinosaur died 65 million years or so before the Bible was even written?
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Hydarnes
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Message 21 of 222 (134367)
08-16-2004 2:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 19 by jar
08-16-2004 2:10 PM
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So where is the Dinosaur in that chapter? It takes a fertile imagination to see a dinosaur in any of that.
I wouldn't resent your verbal usurpation so much if it were for a more valid objection, but in this case, I do. If you can adequately explain to me another animal that might fit that description, I will recant my position that it is referring to a large dinosaur.
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CK
Member (Idle past 4157 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Message 22 of 222 (134369)
08-16-2004 2:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 21 by Hydarnes
08-16-2004 2:29 PM
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that is so vague it could refer to anything. Let's not forget the bible is not a biology textbook but a collection of stories.
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CK
Member (Idle past 4157 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Message 23 of 222 (134370)
08-16-2004 2:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 21 by Hydarnes
08-16-2004 2:29 PM
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that is so vague it could refer to anything. Let's not forget the bible is not a biology textbook but a collection of stories.
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Hydarnes
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Message 24 of 222 (134371)
08-16-2004 2:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 20 by crashfrog
08-16-2004 2:10 PM
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How can dinosaurs be mentioned in the Bible when the last dinosaur died 65 million years or so before the Bible was even written?
A brilliant question. But since the Bible DOES mention one, what merit is there left in it? This message has been edited by Hydarnes, 08-16-2004 01:40 PM
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Hydarnes
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Message 25 of 222 (134372)
08-16-2004 2:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 23 by CK
08-16-2004 2:31 PM
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Be my guest, give us some of this "anything". This message has been edited by Hydarnes, 08-16-2004 01:35 PM
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 26 of 222 (134374)
08-16-2004 2:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 21 by Hydarnes
08-16-2004 2:29 PM
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Well, dinosaurs ranged from massive to tiny. They were herbivorous, carniferous and some that were simply opportunistic. The description is far more of the massive bull that was worshipped by many societies around the area, a cud chewing stud. That's all. A big potent, phallic bull. Let the folk read the passage. If they can get a dinosaur out of that then fine. I have no problem letting them decide for themselves. But I find the description to be simply prosaic, a description of ordinary critter exageratied as in most of the OT topics. It's as believable that it is a dinosaur as Jonah's Great Fish. It is certainly insufficient as description of a dinosaur.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Hydarnes
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Message 27 of 222 (134376)
08-16-2004 2:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 26 by jar
08-16-2004 2:38 PM
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I'll just cut through your verbal meandering. How is it insufficient? This message has been edited by Hydarnes, 08-16-2004 01:41 PM
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MrHambre
Member (Idle past 1423 days) Posts: 1495 From: Framingham, MA, USA Joined: 06-23-2003
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Message 28 of 222 (134379)
08-16-2004 2:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 24 by Hydarnes
08-16-2004 2:32 PM
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You're assuming that the Bible mentions dinosaurs, and we're asking on what you base your assumption. Whether Leviathan and Behemoth were real animals or based on mythological monsters has been a hotly debated issue. However, there is unanimous agreement among scientists that dinosaurs were extinct tens of millions of years before humans evolved. What's more likely, that there is a multi-level, worldwide conspiracy to cover up the fact that dinosaurs were still alive a few thousand years ago (which sinister conspiracy neglected to remove the reference to dinosaurs from one of the most widely read books in human history)? Or that the reference in Job may not be to dinosaurs after all? regards, Esteban "Tail Like a Cedar" Hambre
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 29 of 222 (134380)
08-16-2004 2:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 27 by Hydarnes
08-16-2004 2:40 PM
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Well, the critter eats grass like an Ox. Sounds like some bull. The critter has stones the size of a Creationists ego. Sounds pretty much like more bull to me. He spins a tall tale. Yup, still more bull. And drinks up most everything. Yup, Creationist Bull, no doubt.  Now, where in the segment is there anything about a dinosaur? Hydarnes, if you want to believe it refers to a dinosaur, fine. You are certainly entitled to hold such an opinion. But I and many others see far more resemblance to Minotaur than Dinosaur.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Hydarnes
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Message 30 of 222 (134381)
08-16-2004 2:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 28 by MrHambre
08-16-2004 2:47 PM
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It doesn't require a great deal of assumption before recognizing that the creature described simply does not fit an animal other than that of a Dinosaur. Unless, of course, you're ready to step in and compensate for the failures of the the challengers ahead of you. The context, in my estimation, betrays no indication of being metaphoric. Bzzz, Try again! This message has been edited by Hydarnes, 08-16-2004 01:55 PM This message has been edited by Hydarnes, 08-16-2004 02:30 PM
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