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Hydarnes Inactive Member |
Bulls really have tales comparable with ceder trees....
And you might have noticed that it says "eateth grass as an ox", clearly not an ox itself. Bzzz. Try again! This message has been edited by Hydarnes, 08-16-2004 01:53 PM
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MrHambre Member (Idle past 1423 days) Posts: 1495 From: Framingham, MA, USA Joined: |
Am I the only one who wonders why, if dinosaurs were around a few thousand years ago, they only rated a mere mention or two in ancient literature? Why was a bigger part of the Bible dedicated to teaching people which birdies not to eat rather than instructing them to keep out of the way of the giant reptiles??
It's all well and fine to tell us that our culture has been 'evolutionized' against accepting the fact that dinosaurs and humans could have lived side by side, but I still say the complete absence of evidence, and the near total absence of any mention of dinosaurs in ancient literature, would suggest that we're not the overly credulous ones here. regards,Esteban Hambresaurus
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Hydarnes Inactive Member |
But if one accepts that all the people contemporary with the dinosaurs would have been eliminated by the Flood, there isn't much reason why they *should* be mentioned much.
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MrHambre Member (Idle past 1423 days) Posts: 1495 From: Framingham, MA, USA Joined: |
But remember, you're using the 'dinosaur' reference to prove that they were contemporaneous in the first place. Many have asked why God would be talking about dinosaurs with a post-diluvian human like Job, who would presumably not have understood the reference. It's obvious He expected Job (and anyone reading the "whirlwind" speech) to be able to testify first-hand to the strength of Behemoth, so His use of any beast either extinct or mythological wouldn't have served His purpose very well.
regards,Esteban Hambre This message has been edited by MrHambre, 08-16-2004 02:59 PM
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John Williams Member (Idle past 5029 days) Posts: 157 From: Oregon, US Joined: |
To believe that the Hebrew Mythos relates to Dinosaurian creatures, which according to evolutionary science existed some 65 million years ago, takes a great deal of faith.
I find it improbable that the legendary Noah was able to gather Dinosaurs and put them in his Ark, considering the theory that these "Terrible Lizards" died out some 65 million years ago, and the flood was thought to have happened some 4,000 or more years ago. We have a time difference of 65 million years. (Someone's time scale is messed up). I think the Behemoth mentioned in the book of Job is nothing more than some local animal that was around during those days, such as the crocodile, or Hippo etc. I am open to the idea that Dinosaurs could have given rise to legends of Dragons and monsters when their bones were unearthed.
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MangyTiger Member (Idle past 6384 days) Posts: 989 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
I normally just lurk on this forum but I saw this and thought it begged the question - of course I could be talking out of my backside
Hydarnes says :
quote: jar previously provided the Biblical quote :
quote: I have no idea what "his force is in the navel of his belly" means, but doesn't the fact it has a navel mean that whatever the creature is, it is a placental mammal and not a reptile/lizard/dinosaur ? Are there any reptile experts out there who can say for sure if there are any reptiles with navels - maybe from where the embryo was attached to the yolk sack in the egg ?
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dpardo Inactive Member |
John Williams wrote:
"I think the Behemoth mentioned in the book of Job is nothing more than some local animal that was around during those days, such as the crocodile, or Hippo etc." If this is true then what would be the reason for God requesting that Job and his friends consider an unremarkable creature?
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
quote: If you stood next to a hippo, rhino, or elephant would you think of them as unremarkable? The reason we have these creatures in zoos today is because we think of them as remarkable. Also, David (if I remember my Sunday School stories well enough) is credited with protecting his flock of sheep from certain danger. What were those dangers? A bear and a lion. Wouldn't you think that a much more impressive story would have been a T. rex or a raptor?
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John Williams Member (Idle past 5029 days) Posts: 157 From: Oregon, US Joined: |
Well said.
Now I don't mean for this to downgrade anyone's faith, because I am a Christian myself, but to suggest that the bible mentions actual dinosaurs in the instance of the book of Job would require us to believe that they existed during those times, yet we have absolutely no record of anatomicaly correct dinosaurs in ancient near-east history. The closest thing that comes to dinosaurs would be Dragons and sea serpents which are mentioned in the bible many times, aswell as many ancient mythologies. The belief in Dragons and sea-serpents odviously tells us that people back then often believed in these fantastic beings, either from the inspiration of seeing whales, sharks, octopus etc. or form finding the skeletons of dinosaurs and extinct sea creatures.
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Tel Rinsiel Inactive Member |
quote: I have wondered about that, as well. Also, were the continents already divided and separated far out to the ocean like the South and North American contents during the time of the flood? I was kind of questioning how the animals there managed to cross the oceans to fit inside Noah's boat. And, when the boat landed after 40 days of flood, I wonder how the animals like the giant ant-eaters, tapirs and jaguars indigenous to South America managed to return to the far continent.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
But since the Bible DOES mention one, what merit is there left in it? Obviously the Bible doesn't mention one, as they would have been extinct for millions of years by the time the Bible was written.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
It doesn't require a great deal of assumption before recognizing that the creature described simply does not fit an animal other than that of a Dinosaur. Which dinosaur? At any rate, it sounds like an elephant to me.
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6903 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
I have not read all the responses, so I don't know if these were mentioned.
Most Christians find a careful search of the scriptures distasteful and let someone else tell them what someone else thinks they need to know. This is, of course, dangerous. Dragon - is mentioned 28 times in the Bible Behemoth - is described in Job 40:15-24 Leviathan - is described in Job 41; Psalm 104:25,26; Isa.:27:1 Carbon-dating is an inexact science, and millions of years are, actually, rather illogical. http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml Or, do a little research of your own.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Dragon - is mentioned 28 times in the Bible Behemoth - is described in Job 40:15-24 Leviathan - is described in Job 41; Psalm 104:25,26; Isa.:27:1 And why would anyone think any of those are a Dinosaur?
Carbon-dating is an inexact science, and millions of years are, actually, rather illogical. Somewhat off topic, and millions, no billions of years is actually very logical.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Carbon-dating is an inexact science, and millions of years are, actually, rather illogical. Within the proper parameters for its employment radiocarbon dating is actually as exact a science as using a yardstick, and just that accurate, too. Of course, when you measure things that are outside the proper purview of carbon dating, you get weird results. But that's true of any test. At any rate, the fossils we're talking about are too old to use radiocarbon dating.
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