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Author Topic:   Existence of Demons (and Angels)
crashfrog
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Message 163 of 303 (200173)
04-18-2005 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Faith
04-18-2005 3:39 PM


Re: I am rubber and you are glue
just as there is no evidence that could disprove to you the reality of your own body and mind and personality and the reality of other human beings and your interactions with them.
The problem is that there's no evidence that proves those things, either. I hold those positions, but I do so tentatively.
Are you prepared to disbelieve the whole web of memories you have of communications with people over your life, family, friends?
Yes. Does that shock you?
If you could talk yourself out of believing all those things, even what you had for lunch -- also something very difficult to prove once the lunch is gone -- you would induce in yourself something akin to a lobotomy.
What you would induce would be a committment to holding positions only tentatively and not dogmatically.
Not everybody's like you, Faith. Not all of us are so paralyzed by the idea of a little uncertainty about even the things we think we're sure about that we have to cling to dogma and turn our brains off. Your universe isn't going to disappear if you look at it askance. I'm prepared to deal with a little doubt about everything. But the mere suggestion of doubt sends you running for your Biblical comfort blanket. Where do people get this pathological fear of uncertainty?

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crashfrog
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Message 166 of 303 (200180)
04-18-2005 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Faith
04-18-2005 4:05 PM


Re: I am rubber and you are glue
You don't get it. I don't HAVE any uncertainty.
I know you don't. You're so scared to death at the idea of uncertainty that you'd rather believe in lies absolutely, than have tentative ideas about how things really are.
Same as you don't have any about the things in your own life that are closest to you that you can't prove.
No, I do have uncertainty about those things. Not everybody's like you, Faith. We're not all so absolutely, quiveringly terrified of uncertainty that we'll do anything to not have any.
I can live with uncertainty. What's your problem?

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crashfrog
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Message 168 of 303 (200185)
04-18-2005 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Faith
04-18-2005 4:19 PM


The view that is held about what science is on this site, evidence and so on, has been showing itself to approach insanity for some time now.
Insanity = not agreeing with Faith on every single issue.

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crashfrog
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Message 170 of 303 (200188)
04-18-2005 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by Faith
04-18-2005 4:25 PM


Heh! Well, why not.

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crashfrog
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Message 189 of 303 (200471)
04-19-2005 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Trump won
04-19-2005 4:31 PM


What fact?
"God exists" is a claim of fact. "I believe that God exists" is a different kind of claim. The first is not allowed to go unchallenged without evidence. The second is allowed to do so because no evidence for or aganst it could exist.
God is much deeper than that.
So deep, in fact, that he's beyond the access of the rational mind? Well, how convinient for you.

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crashfrog
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Message 194 of 303 (200548)
04-19-2005 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by Trump won
04-19-2005 8:43 PM


No, actually it's quite frustrating
Here's a hint. That's the smarter part of your mind telling you "this is bullshit."

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crashfrog
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Message 244 of 303 (201415)
04-23-2005 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 243 by Faith
04-23-2005 9:40 AM


It would be a VERY interesting test for scientists to practice describing their observations in objective terms leaving out the geotimetable and evolutionism.
It's precisely because scientists describe those observations objectively that geologic time and evolution are included.

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crashfrog
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Message 254 of 303 (201595)
04-23-2005 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by Faith
04-23-2005 2:09 PM


The sciences do NOT support evolutionism or the Geo Time Table.
Which is a kind of funny thing to assert, given that nobody has ever been able to show that this is the case. Not even you, as it turned out.
These two theories are IMPOSED on the sciences and the actual evidence is forced to fit into them.
Since the evidence predates the theories, I find that rather hard to believe.

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