What evidence absolutely rules out a Creator

It depends upon how you want to define the nature/abilities of your Creator.

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If God is perfect then everything He is and does is perfect. He couldn't create an imperfect world, by definition.

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So, we have finally found something that God cannot do.This must mean that God is NOT all-powerful.

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It disproves the general theistic God--the all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good God of Western tradition.

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And that's the only God worth any serious consideration.

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Why is it the only God worth serious consideration?This message has been edited by schrafinator, 03-13-2006 11:39 AM

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There are many many things that God cannot do and yet be all-powerful.

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That is a logical contradiction.

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You'll pardon me if the moral calculus doesn't quite add up. 6 thousand years (we'll use the YEC timeline) of death and horror just for the "privlege" of having 1.5 billion Christians tell me how great they are, and how I should be just like them, except if I'm gay or a woman who needs to have an abortion.

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You don't need to be a woman who needs an abortion for those Christians to tell you that you aren't good.You just need to be a woman to be told by them that you are inadequate.Or, at least, not as good as a man and in need of a man to lead you.

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I don't see how these religions directly address the problem of human sufffering, but then I don't know that much about the Eastern religions.

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Buddhism teaches that wordly desire is the source of all human suffering.

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It's just Christians, and Christians of the worst kind, we fundies, who believe in the Fall (at least with the logical implications who {abe: I meant you} draw from it}, and whose theology is therefore at serious odds with evolution.

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Don't forget the Stalinist Soviets.They were opposed to evolution, too.

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evolution takes faith

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God takes faith

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Does the Germ Theoy of Disease take faith in the same way God takes faith?Does the Theory of a Heliocentric Solar System take faith in the same way God takes faith?Does the Atomic Theory of Matter take faith in the same way God takes faith?

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Again, Jar, my friend, I'm not saying you're being wilfully ignorant, but I've posted a number of Biblical prophecies over the years which you've rejected as such.

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And, over the years, you've never been able, when pressed on the details, to provide anything that convinced anyone who wasn't already a believer.Surely, this would give a rational person pause.

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Robin Rohan has a remarkably rational mind for an infidel.

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His logic is flawed.This was explained up thread.It was even expressed in formal terms by somebody, and it was shown to be faulty.Perhaps you wouldn't mind converting Robin's logical progression in formal terms and explain how no leaps are made.

If it is assertion that you won't mind doing what I asked.Please convert robin's statements to a formal logical progression.

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You are making an assertion it is all assertions. When people show you the logical progression, you just deny it, and say 'it is all assertions'.

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Surely you can do better than that.

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Prediction:Faith will somehow blame the evolution supporters for her inability to produce the formal logic of robin's position.