God is cruel

riVeRrat The literal translation of the hebrew according to info provided by the blueletter bilble is a follows`ets da`ath towb ra` 'akal yowm 'akal muwth muwthtree knowledge good evil eat day eat die diePlease inform us of the sentence you would construct from the literal will you? Since when is the promtion of an unfalsifable hypothesis {God} a product of scientific thinking rr? "If God exists" is implicative of personal bias as to what constitutes the nature of God. The sentence could therefore be correct as stated and simply be a contradiction to which the lack of clarity on your part arises from emotional investment you have made into the notion of God.
Now, if "He would not be a liar" then at the very least God is inept and vague. That I find this situation to be a product of human agendas is,to me, the more likely scenario. This also helps to explain in sweeping scope the vast array of need for Christian Apologetics.The defense of a weak position is always best served by providing the illusion of strength.This message has been edited by sidelined, Wed, 2006-04-05 09:10 AM

I agree, objectively. That was my point.But does that mean He is not there?

Everything is evidence if He exists. It's up to you do choose whether it's from His love or not(even the bad). Just like your mother's actions. Sometimes she did things to you that you may have not liked, You are choosing to believe it is from love, and rightfully so.

I am not a literalists, so I don't care really. Hebrew is not the original language either. Shouldn't you always be open minded to all possibilities? Even ones not yet discovered?I have a fallacy I am designing that will explain this. There is no illusion, only truth, the Spirit of Truth.

IMO this version of god is cruel but I could be wrong.

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yet He does not provide enough evidence of His existance to overcome those limitations for people who require more than unsupported assertions.

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I just wanted to make a personal statement, no need to reply.

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I think that God wants us to believe in him because of faith, not because of proof. If he were proved, then we'd be like robots. We are god's children and I think he prefers real children over robot children. I think god wants children who are not forced to believe in him by proof, but choose to believe in him through faith. I may be wrong, but that’s the impression that I get.

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No, you are not completely responsible. No, you are not completely responsible. Yes, I think we are born with some sense of right and wrong. I agree that the environment develops it but not solely. You are born with a basic moral structure onto which your environment builds. I don’t think that conscience developed strictly from social interaction. I think there is something that starts the ball rolling, so to speak, and I think intelligence comes into play, along with social interaction, to realize that the moral structure that you are born with is beneficial and should be expanded as the group sees fit.

Pure speculation, Everything is evidence for an existance, but does not point in any way to the existance of a god.
I have met, interacted, witnessed my mother and her love. The same cannot be said for GodPlease explain why you feel that 'everything' in evidence for God?

That's not what I meant even if I did use that word/s. I referred to my own musings about God. I've told you what I meant. The words themselves don't make me guilty, because of equivocation. This is the problem with you guys generally. Facts might not mean anything, but you give them too much credit. In this case, my words don't mean what you think they do, therefore the facts about what I typed, are useless.AT the time I had no reason to believe in God because I was unconvinced by the whole thing.This isn't the same thing as saying that there are no reasons to believe in God, period. It means that in regards to reasoning and evidence and intellectual thought, there might not be any logical positives in regards to deities when one thinks strictly and dispassionately.I CHOSE to believe in Christ. So yes, you can choose to believe in something. I guess this is a weighing of concepts.You now ask me to believe in butt monkeys. I would have to choose not to I suppose, as they are known as Dan-musings. I take full responsibility for not believing in them.

In the future I will be sure to not read what you type, but instead make up new meanings for your posts, and answer them instead.So yes, thank you, I would love a slice of cake. Good. Now choose to stop doing so, and believe in something else. Okay. Choose to believe in the Raelian faith. Or in a flat Earth. Or any number of ideas that, because of your knowledge and life experience, you find ridiculous.Hell, take your pick.

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"We had survived to turn on the History Channel
And ask our esteemed panel, Why are we alive? And here's how they replied:
You're what happens when two substances collide
And by all accounts you really should have died."
-Andrew Bird

All you have to do is read in context. Try and get the gist of what I'm saying.I think I made it clear enough as to what I was saying. Why? I have no reason to. I'm convinced that only Christ could be the real deal because of what he taught.If belief wasn't down to my will/choice, then surely I could then wake up with monkey butt belief. But I don't recommend placing a bet that I will believe that tomorrow morning.TTFNThis message has been edited by Deerstalker, 04-05-2006 01:16 PM

riVeRrat No, because many possibilities have already been eliminated by science. My point was that the hypothesis you put forward has to have a means of falsification{even if only in principle} in order to allow science to eliminate it from the field. Failing this,it cannot be resolved by scientific means. Did you want a chance to edit this statement or are you serious? So you say.This message has been edited by sidelined, Wed, 2006-04-05 11:19 AM

To show me how easy it is. Oh. So the teachings of Christ had an effect on you, and led you to your belief. You didn't just sit down and choose to believe something. If belief was your choice, you could easily believe it right now.

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"We had survived to turn on the History Channel
And ask our esteemed panel, Why are we alive? And here's how they replied:
You're what happens when two substances collide
And by all accounts you really should have died."
-Andrew Bird

I think that was obvious from his initial statement. You are purposefully being obtuse so you can be a smart-ass. I think being a smart-ass is funny, but when you go that far out of your way to do it, it can be annoying. Unless it’s a difficult decision.Lets say someone believes in god, for whatever reason (no choice necessary). So they research the various religions of the world and find one that they find the most truthful and most applicable to their life. Then they choose to believe in that religion. Why is it so hard for you to accept belief as a choice?

Not yet for you, I guess. Because I feel His love now.
There was a time when I only accepted Him by faith. Now I feel it is a step beyond that. I can feel the Holy Spirit, it is like the love you feel from your mother times a 1000.It's like the feeling of truth times 1000. That’s the best I can explain it.The day I felt the Holy Spirit, I always tell people, is the day I went crazy, or the day I felt a bit of God. It changed many things for me, about me, in the snap of a finger.If I can somehow reciprocate that love to others, then that is my only chance at "proving" God to anyone. Of course this is tough on a forum, but in real life, it is not as tough.So in short, because I believe He exists, based on what I feel, then when I look at everything, there is a root feeling inside of me that screams that it is all from Him.You may even experience this feeling yourself when you look around and wonder where did it all come from? Except maybe you come up with explanations for everything. I don't know, because I don't know you.

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Adam was dying anyway regardless of whether he ate the fruit or not. Adam and Eve were mortal, so they,just like all of us, began to die the second they were created.

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Hi!
For as long as Adam lived in the garden, he was immortal. Death did not come until sin entered his world. He consumed of the tree of life, which was his sustainer. Once he had made the wrong choice, access to this tree was taken from him.........lest he lived a sinfilled forever.How cruel it would have been to let Adam live forever in misery and regret!Genesis 3:21-24
21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." 23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side [e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

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Why does the crack baby have to live with its mother's choice?

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Huh? You want it should commit suicide instead?

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Hm! That is an uncommon response.
Thank you.