Atheism, a dangerous idea?

Then you'll have to be more clear as to what you meant when you said:

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riVeRraT writes:

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But an atheist can do what ever he wants.

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Why? Doesn't the atheist live within the same society as the theist?

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What does our society have to do with an individuals morals if the law has nothing to do with it?Where do morals come from?

Well, what do you base this set of rules on? I never said they need to be different or indifferent. I do agree with that, and the way I see it, as I have explained, is that God put them there. That doesn't mean that they always shine through.For some cultures compared to ours, it is not so common, and they think way different than you or I.

A very good point. But when I read the bible, I do not find anyway that I good back up a racist point of view.One could easily say to a Christian who was using the bible to back his own personal racism, "what about love one an other?" I never said one was better than the other.
I am saying one is written, the other is not.
One is debatable, the other is not.2 people have listed some of their morals, I cannot debate them, it is what they believe.But if a Christian came up to me, and said, hey, I am a racist by the power vested in me by Christ our Lord, I dam sure would debate it with him.

Smite?
So much for Grace, and forgiveness.But if what your trying to say, is that because of the way a person is, you wouldn't have a beer with him, I can understand that. What I can't understand is you, or Ned associating all believers to be like that. That to me is prejudice.

I don't think we are in grave danger, because we are educated enough to know the difference now. But maybe not all people are?Also we just don't know for sure if God will do something to us if we aren't following His ways, and not believing in Him, even though we all have the capacity too. I think that is what fundementalists are afraid of.But I agree with you, I think they should be more fearful of their own actions, and fake faiths.

I honestly don't know what to believe at this point in life. The quotes you provided are from the OT, something that which is not completely useful as a moral guide since Jesus came, and fulfilled the law.Jesus says, turn the other cheek, and love your enemy. So it puzzles me how someone like Bush can instigate so much war. Maybe if we started acting like the Christians we claimed to be, then more people in this world would see the light, and there would be more peace.But then again if Bush did that, he would be blurring the lines of church and state I guess.In my own personal life, I made a vow to forgive everyone who I thought was my enemy (a very small amount of people) and now they are my friends. I forgive people as they do stuff to me, and allow God to handle it for me, and it is one of the miracles of faith that I can see work everyday in my life, that confirms God lives up to His promises.

That is what separates us from the animals. We are but one species with many different pecking orders. It would seem that God wants us to resist this natural (possibly sinful) pecking order, when he says love your enemy, and love others.

That is not the answer, since you are part of an evolution of intelligence that brought about atheism, and it started with believing in gods. It is human nature to believe in something more than what is.

It's not all of us, only a select few, who's ideals seem to coinside with each other. You are not "kicking that crap" out of anything other than your own misunderstanding.You know for a fact, if I am wrong, I admit it, something I have never seen you do. I am honored by that statement, really I am.

The desire to know God, is not from God?
At one time, I might have agreed with you, but now I see differently.There is a lot of power in the fact that we as humans desire to know if there is a God or not.

Amen.

Wow, you can speak for everyone here, amazing. Well, thats just not true. I know what you called me, I am just honored that you think I can be so slick, when I am really not slick at all. It's pretty funny actually, and just another mark in the belt of marks where you have decided to attack the person, and not the arguement. Congrats.

IT is obvious that murder cannot be summed up into one rule. There are many different levels of murder, and manslaughter. God's morals are not physical ones, but ones of heart.Too many people in here like to refer to the killing of the OT, as if they actually undertand it completely.You pay taxes and support a nation that kills innocent people, and infants as well. Are you morally incorrect? That is exactly what I am saying. But that is not what happens. People say there are verses that can support that fact that we go to war, but I don't know what they are.Think about it, if we spent 100 billion helping Iraq, instead of bombing them, would the outcome be better?That is why I say I don't know what to believe when it comes to that.
Maybe my faith is not strong enough. No-one has tried to kill me, but there has been some tuff things to let go of.Should start a thread on defending yourself, biblically speaking.

Is this the riVeRraT conveys his thoughts badly thread?Some people, schraf, and I know exactly why I am being mis-understood, maybe one day you will understand. I am not the best at conveying my thoughts into writing, I have admitted that many times. What bothers me most is when people like you do not take the time to find out exactly what it is I mean. I take the time out to make I understand your posts, you could at least give me the same respect, and stop ganging up on me all the time. It's a poor show. Keep attacking me, and that is what you'll get. Lots, and everyone, are a lot closer to each other, than the actual truth. You make it sound like there is some kind of EVC conspiracy against the ratboy from hell.If .999... can equal 1, then lots can equal everyone, whats the problem?

I thought I did, when I mentioned the ways Jesus is trying to teach us?
Let him without sin cast the first stone, love your enemy, turn the other cheek, etc.I cannot speak for the actions of the OT, well because I just didn't live during that time. Maybe it was a necessary evil? God did send evil into the world. I don't think Christian morals are absolutes, otherwise there wouldn't be so many denominations. They are however debatable since there is a book to go off of. Atheists morals are not debatable. They draw their moral standard from their own mind.But I understand what your saying, and many Christians will draw their own moral standard also, and not really follow "the good book". But that is the point of reference I am talking about.
But I guess faith is so dam confusing these days, that you could be 100% correct. I would guess that the OT would be closer to an absolute morality, than nowadays. The law was pretty strict. If you expect me to answer why God told people to kill, I cannot. The God I know doesn't do that anymore.If I had to guess, it would be that the Jews were the only ones that really had God in their hearts, and everyone else's hearts were hardened, and their fates sealed. If there is one thing I have noticed in my life, and that is that all the good, and the bad has led me to a better understanding of God. What I used to percieve as bad, I now see the good of it. Having an experience with God, has helped me see it also. But He is not done with me yet, still got a long way to go. I was thinking about that the other day, and I used to take it the way you said it, but he didn't say pay taxes, he said "give to Ceasar what is due to Ceasar" Maybe Ceasar doesn't deserve a dam thing. Maybe that's why we have a declaration of Independence. Was just a thought. again, I think it comes down to a matter of heart.