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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
If we accept inscriptions in Old Negev or Proto-Canaanite dating back to 3500 years BP as denoting the original name of God, we can drop all the variations in the OP. Repeatedly, the name El or Yah, sometimes both, seems to be the favoured appelation.
A script with a large representation of archaic features has been traced from the Sinai (Serabit el-Khadim) during the Late Bronze Age (1600-1400 BC) to the Land of Canaan (where it survived as Proto-Canaanite through the eight hundred year hiatus). Around 1200 BC two variations of Proto-Canaanite emerge; Old Negev in the southern deserts and Canaanite/Phoenician in the north (Canaan, Moab, Phoenicia, etc.). In the Negev the script continues well into the Iron Age and at some time between the Assyrian conquest and the Babylonian captivity, the script and the language it expressed fell out of use. [Discoveries, such as the water jars marked with this script found in Old Jerusalem's Burnt House, 600 BC, may have been family treasures from a dimming past.] The language, best called Proto-Canaanite, (suggesting the West Semitic, used throughout the Northwest Semitic area, before the language formed distinctive dialects and before the dialects became distinctive languages. The ethnic ties of the Old Negev scribes may include Kenite Midianites, Israelites, and other Canaanites such as the Avites and the Canaanites that worshipped Yah of Gad (Lachish Ewer). Perceptions of Yah in the Ancient Negev:The name of Yah was never spelled out in full in any of the inscriptions. The most often use form was Yah (hy), followed by El/Yah or Yah/El (hy la) and just two inscriptions of Yahh (hhy). The ram is the most frequently encountered icon associated with Yah and El. The ram's seventy appearances in the first four books of Moses (which invite and insure the continued favor of the God of Israel) are complimented by the image of the Ram of Redemtpion and is an acknowledgment of God's intervention among the ancient inhabitants of the Negev. Place names found in the compositions are appropriate for the time, location, and context in which they are used. The persona of Yah is associated with radiance, as from the sun and the head of the radiant Serpent. The glory of the radiant serpent was to be extended to his people so that their countenances would shine as they become a holy nation (a sanctified people). It is possible that the serpent (as an icon of Yahweh) would have survived in greater numbers had it not been for the reforms of Hezekiah and Josiah. The serpent symbolizes Yah as the healer, and God of the storms, rain, sun, and Prince of Life. Yah was the disciplinarian, judge, protector, deliverer, teacher, purifier, and Father of his covenant people. More from: http://www.lib.byu.edu/~imaging/negev/Names.html
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
It's exactly that I can read the Torah Scrolls in the original You have the 'original' Torah Scrolls? Hallelujah, brother, I knew they would surface one day. Next time you have a private chat with Y`H`W`H, how about asking Him for a quickie cure for malaria, huh? Y`know, all those kids dying.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Why do apologists always point out the inerrancy of Isaiah in the Qumran Scrolls? Because it`s the only copy from the OT that doesn`t wander all over the shop. Other books bear varying degrees of resemblance to MT. MT itself was reworked at least by the academy at Jamnia c.100, so whether it bears full resemblance to the originals is debatable. Then there was the nonsense with Hilkiah/Josiah, the Emendations of the Sopherim, etc.,etc. And so it goes on,tamper,tamper.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
When I was growing up the saying was the Torah Scrolls had all the information one needed Sounds a bit like a goofy saying some Muslims use. Regarding the role of books---'If it`s covered by the Quran, it`s unnecessary. If it`s not covered by the Quran, it`s unnecessary'.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Been there, done that. I left the wacko world that you embrace far behind. Praise the world of rational thinking.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Wonder whatever happened to Mac der Spigel? Probably out there multi-tasking or synergising or whatever you Hebrew scholars do.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Welcome, Rizal. If ever there is a place to slake your thirst, it`s at EvC. Time we had another Islamic voice here.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
So if you understand well about hebrew could you tell me the real meaning of YHWH (in all words) then we could compare to 99 God's names in Islam at http://www.asmaulhusna.com/
Hi, Rizal, that link shows that the 99 names might be man-made titles, not something passed down by Gabriel to Mohammed. I could stand corrected. For an in-depth study of the possible origin of 'God`s'name, try 'The Bible came from Arabia'-Kamal Salibi where he states 'More likely than not, Yahweh, like El Elyon, was originally a god of mountain heights. His name has been the subject of much learned controversy, yet it can be simply explained as an archaic substantive of the verb hwh (rather than the oft-suggested hyh, 'be'), not in the Hebrew and Arabic sense of 'fall', but in the Arabic sense (unattested in Hebrew) of 'rise, be elevated'. His name alone, in that sense, must have recommended him for recognition as a supreme and transcendent deity'. Oddly, while Salibi goes to considerable lengths to name the pantheon of Arabic deities (Al Salamah, Al Alyan, Al al-A'lam, etc., he devotes no space to the study of Al-lah. But then living in Lebanon probably is risky at the best of times. Edited by Nighttrain, : minor touch-up
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
and never mind the insinuation that all muslims were dancing in the streets because of 9/11.
Hi, K, wasn`t a lot of that footage shown to be a hoax? Shot in Lebanon several years before 9/11?
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Resurrected (:-p) from a past thread:
Yahweh is 'Elyon-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just to throw another spanner in the works. Salibi on mistranslations (I can`t do the accents so they are missing) : ”The traditional reading of Genesis 14:22 has long assumed that Abram the Hebrew, in an oath, identifies his own god, Yahweh, with the El ”Elyon of the king of ”Salem’. The Hebrew text of Abram`s oath, (hrmty ydy ”l yhwh ”l ”lywn), has normally been taken to mean ” I have sworn (literally, raised my hand) to Yahweh El ”Elyon (in RSV, ”to the Lord God Most High). Actually, the Hebrew yhwh here (as in examples cited earlier) must be read as the archaic imperfect of the verb hyh-”be’. Hence, the oath must be read as: ”I have sworn, El ”Elyon being a god’ or ”I have sworn (as) El ”Elyon is a god (”l yhwh ”l ”lywn)’, the recognition of the divinity of El ”Elyon being presented as testimony to the truth of the oath. In Psalm 7:18, however, ”Elyon is unequivocally mentioned as a name of Yahweh (sm yhwh ”lywn. ”the name of Yahweh is ”Elyon’). Yahweh is also called ”Elyon in Psalm 47:3. Moreover, ”Elyon rather than Yahweh is cited as the name of the God of Israel in more than twenty other passages of Biblical text where it is commonly rendered in translation as ”Most High’. (The Bible came from Arabia - p147)
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