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Morality Decreasing With Time?

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Taz
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12-17-2006 12:11 AM 		Reply to: Message 1 by anglagard
12-16-2006 7:13 PM

I am reminded of a philosophy class session where a rather fundamentalist student declared that society was becoming less and less moral and that we needed to follow the examples of ancient people. My professor, which happened to be a hebrew scholar, just looked at him for a few seconds and then took out the christian bible and started citing examples of rape, murder, genocide, etc. At the end of the class, he just told the student that to our standards the people in ancient times were savages and that he couldn't understand why people keep referring to them as morally superior.
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12-17-2006 9:26 PM 		Reply to: Message 10 by Rob
12-17-2006 2:35 PM

Did you accidently hit the submit reply button before you got to finish your response?
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Message 29 of 305 (370890)
12-19-2006 1:12 PM 		Reply to: Message 23 by Rob
12-19-2006 11:21 AM

Re: Botched home op.
You still didn't answer the question. Why didn't they call a doctor or 911 before the minister?
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12-19-2006 1:16 PM 		Reply to: Message 26 by Rob
12-19-2006 11:48 AM

Re: The semi-hidden moral reality...
scottness writes:
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David does something that is wrong... has sex. But having sex isn't always wrong. that is your point right?
I think you are missing a very big theme about the story.
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12-19-2006 3:34 PM 		Reply to: Message 49 by Rob
12-19-2006 3:21 PM

Re: Botched home op.
I'm not judging. I just see a person so indoctrinated by religion that confessing his sin to avoid eternal damnation is more important than trying to save the life of his loved one.
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12-20-2006 12:21 AM 		Reply to: Message 56 by Rob
12-19-2006 3:44 PM

Re: Botched home op.
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I don't think he called the pastor to confess his sin Gasby. The sin was obvious! He needed someone to hold him up in light of what he was now going to face. The excrement had already hit the rotator.
Then suppose you're right, that he didn't call the pastor to confess his sin. Years of religious indoctrination has made him a completely selfish person. The supposedly most important person in his life just suffered greatly and he needed someone to hold HIM up in light of what he was now going to face? How about thinking a little beyond that and make a call to the emergency hotline like 911?
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You are just making excuses for a man that obviously lets religion get in the way of someone else's well being. If my wife was in any kind of trouble, I'd call 911 without any hesitation because she is the most person in my life, not the local reverend or priest.
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Message 99 of 305 (371155)
12-20-2006 1:19 PM 		Reply to: Message 82 by Larni
12-20-2006 4:40 AM

Re: Botched home op.
Larni writes:
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Is xianty realy more important than people?
Actually, we both know what he's going to give for the answer to your question... and it doesn't have an "o" in it.
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Message 129 of 305 (371288)
12-20-2006 9:22 PM 		Reply to: Message 128 by DrJones*
12-20-2006 9:01 PM

Re: The semi-hidden moral reality...
I saw a few of rob's posts before. Nothing too offensive. Why would he have to come back as a different person?
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12-22-2006 1:48 AM 		Reply to: Message 145 by New Cat's Eye
12-22-2006 12:46 AM

Re: If you have evidence now is the time to bring it forward.
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WRT the golden rule
What about masochists?
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Taz
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Message 157 of 305 (371591)
12-22-2006 10:49 AM 		Reply to: Message 156 by jar
12-22-2006 9:42 AM

Re: If you have evidence now is the time to bring it forward.
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If they are honest, that is simply not an issue. The masochist likes to be treated in a way that brings him pleasure, so he would treat another in whatever way pleases the other person.
Not necessarily. By definition, we would think that masochists like being treated as such to bring them pleasure, but I don't know if that is the case.
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The issue of masochism is always brought up when the Golden Rule comes up for discussion as though it were some major flaw or conflict.
I didn't bring it up to say it's some kind of major flaw with the GR. The GR is great and it deserves recognition, but it doesn't always apply. I think it is human intuition of what goodness is that gives it validity.
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For example, if we were to live in feudal japan a few hundred years ago. The samurais treated and wanted to treat the peasants like crap and the peasants felt the samurais should treat and want to treat the peasants like crap.
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Take my mom, for another example. My dad thinks women are inferior and that a woman president would make the presidency into a joke. He also not respect my mom at all and sometimes openly say she's a stupid woman. My mom thinks women are inferior to men and that a woman president would make the presidency into a joke. She, being a good christian wife, actually takes all that crap from my dad and tells me that she's "just a woman".
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The golden rule is great, but perhaps it isn't really justified?
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Message 159 of 305 (371600)
12-22-2006 11:09 AM 		Reply to: Message 158 by jar
12-22-2006 11:01 AM

Re: If you have evidence now is the time to bring it forward.
jar writes:
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Again, what is the problem? If they are satisfied with the relationship what is your problem?
Well, I guess this is where we agree to disagree, then.
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