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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Chiroptera writes: I find it ironic that the greatest defenders of "traditional morality" are also the greatest advocates of an economic system that will and has destroyed "traditional morality". And they bewail the "end of civilization" when it is really the triumph of civilization over agrarianism (which is in turn the pinnacle of hunter/gatherism - which is what "animals" do). Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
gasby writes: Did you accidently hit the submit reply button before you got to finish your response? Worse than that: he forgot to pass the collection plate. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
anastasia writes: Simply because it exists in all of them. Ears exist in all societies, too. Does that make ears an absolute? (You seem to be talking about "universal" or even "common" rather than "absolute".) Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
anastasia writes: Do ears have morals? Does something have to be about "morals" to be an absolute?
Isn't finding one universal or common recognition of value the same as finding an absolute moral standard? No. Murder is virtually universal in all societies. So which is the "absolute moral standard": yes-murder or no-murder? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
anastasia writes: Seriously now, this is a dead horse. My speciality.
I have not found anything to trump love of neighbor.... The problem is that "neighbour" is defined relatively. As jar pointed out, it's moral to kill one neighbour and it's moral to mow another neighbour's lawn for him. How can "love thy neighbour" be absolute unless "neighbour" is also absolute? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Don't you think that examples of good moral behaviour have an effect?
Do you think your children do as you say or as they see you do? Don't you think they learn good habits from you as well as bad? So, when one society abolishes slavery, don't you think that has a good effect on other societies? When one society abandons aggressive war, don't you think that has a good effect on other societies? When one society ends discrimination based on colour, creed, sexual orientation, don't you think that has a good effect on other societies? It seems to me that the ones having a bad effect are those who cling blindly to the idea that we're bad and we can only get worse. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
prophex writes: Absolutes are perfect unchanging models for which all things are accounted for. There is a perfect cat, a perfect definition for justice, etc... Those are ideals, not absolutes. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: It's easier to sit and laugh with the others who speak your language and laugh at the guy speaking in tounges foreign to you. When communicating on a public forum, speak the lingua franca. Don't speak in foreign tongues. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: I agree that this is the difficulty, but thought my point was to reveal that any illusion of neutrality is now exposed. The trouble is that you're not "revealing" anything unless you make sense. So, can you show - in a sensible fashion - that morality is decreasing with time? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: Morality is not so much action as it is the intent and internal nature of the heart. What do you think? Here's what Jesus thought:
quote: The righteousness is in the doing.
... since the golden rule is supposed to (and I agree) sum up the law, then I believe I have shown evidence for my original assertion. The Golden Rule says, "Do unto others....", not "Intend unto others...." The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The road to heaven is paved with good deeds. What you have not shown is any evidence that the good deeds are becoming less frequent. What has been shown is that a lot of the bad deeds - e.g. slavery, sexism - are diminishing. Yes, there is disrespect for those who talk and only talk. As Jesus put it:
quote: Edited by Ringo, : Expanded quotation. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Nothing in your post addresses the issue.
I quoted Jesus saying that what we do determines whether we go to heaven or hell. What we are doing, as a human race, is getting better, not worse. Address that issue and keep the sermons to yourself. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: God bless you for saving me! You're mistaken yet again. I have no power to save you since you're so hell-bent on being hell-bent. The best I can do is put in a good word for you at the Pearly Gates. (Unfortunately, I can't put in a good word for you with the admins - it seems pretty likely that your latest incarnation is not long for the world of EvC.)
I now see the light! Obviously not. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: The ad online which popped up for the Sheraton Hotels had two men playing and cuddling on the hotel bed in pj's...right on my screen. That seems to indicate an improvement in morality - a recognition of same-sex couples. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: That seems to indicate an improvement in morality - a recognition of same-sex couples. My point...EXACTLY! So you agree that morality is increasing. Good. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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