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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5879 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Obviously I think so. Is yours? No, my truth cannot be true. The truth is something that I must conform to, because it precedes me. John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is the one I meant when I said, 'A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.'
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5879 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
I have to take the boys to the park before I get a divorce. Sometimes jar is right about her. I am not balancing all of my responsibilities well.
I'll get back to y'all...
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5945 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
scottness writes: I have avoided nothing. And yet your statement
scottness writes: The popular strain in the West (new age) doesn't necessarily say that all religions are right, but that all of them will lead to where the pantheists are This is my second request for references that pantheist believe all paths "will lead to where the pantheists are". This straw claim is key to your leading statement in the OP.
scottness writes: All philosophies and religions are exclusive... especially the pantheist ones. And now you provide scripture quotes to prove your religion is exclusive. We already know that. Edited by iceage, : No reason given. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Is there only one path to God or not Iceage? How could anyone know?
The path to God is the truth (whatever that turns out to be). We may begin at different points, but if we follow the voice of reason (law of non-contradiction), it leads to only one point; one gate inot reality. Why one gate? Law of Non-Contradiction? How absurd. Why would it apply?
If Jesus says there is only one gate, and that he is that gate, then a religion that says otherwise simply must exclude that as true. Of course. That could well be either a misreading of what the Bible says (as I believe) or just plain wrong. GOD is not a religion. Religions are just something men created. They are but Maps, not the Territory. In addition, the fact that one part of a religion might be wrong says nothing about other parts of the religion. All the Maps will have areas where they are accurate, and areas where they are not as accurate. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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anglagard Member (Idle past 867 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Scottness writes: No, my truth cannot be true.The truth is something that I must conform to, because it precedes me. No argument there.
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5984 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
I am not so swift, anglagard, but once you described Spinoza I finally realized who was on your avatar.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 867 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
That is why I reject Pantheism. Because it is a fraud. An imposter that sets itself up, as the very thing it claims not to be. It opposes itself. It is a contradiction and a falsehood; a deception. It is the most exclusive of all because it calls itself the truth! It is a copy of Christianity even to the extent of each member being part of the body. Some of it is so close to Christianity that it is like the negative of a photograph. Care to elaborate upon why you believe this way rather than just engage in a bunch of unsupported assertions? I am pretty sure that at least in regard to Spinoza Pantheism, you don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about. Not only that, but I also believe you will never know what you are talking about in this regard because I believe you will never read Spinoza.
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5984 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
scottness writes: If Jesus says there is only one gate, and that he is that gate, then a religion that says otherwise simply must exclude that as true. What if the religion simply says there are many paths to the gate? No matter what the gate turns out to be, or if the religion even attempts to explain, deify, personify or create the gate, they don't exclude THE gate from being true?
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What is so funny is using the quote from John:
John 10:7 Therefore Jesus said again, "I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. If one reads the parable of the Sheep and the Goats it is pretty obvious that the GOATs are Christians, the Sheep may or may not be. Seems like Jesus is trying to tell most Christians that they don't have a clue what Salvation will depend on. The odds are that Heaven will be filled with far more Atheists and Satanists and Agnostics and Pantheists and Muslims and Jews and Taoists and Buddhists and Wiccans and Hindus than there will be Christians. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5984 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
jar writes: Seems like Jesus is trying to tell most Christians that they don't have a clue what Salvation will depend on. So is it wrong to think that Jesus was not talking about any religion based on Him...He is saying 'I am the gate through which salvation came to the world' so that now, whether Hindu, Muslim, etc., men can be saved? I *think* that is what the church means by 'extra ecclesia nulla salus'. Not that only Catholic Christians will be saved, but that salvation only came to the world thru Christ.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
"extra ecclesia nulla salus" is a problem for the RCC. It means that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.
BUT ... Joseph Ratzinger once wrote that the interpretation of that had changed. His reasoning is that it is impossible to believe that all those people who lived before the advent of the Roman Catholic Church are damned. I have a feeling that what Joe says may become accepted RCC dogma. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5984 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
jar writes: extra ecclesia nulla salus" is a problem for the RCC. It means that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. I think the interp. has changed, or there have been folks in both camps for years, or that the interpretation was a misunderstanding and conflation of the words themselves with the concept behind them. You can go to heaven if you are not in the catholic church. No one would go to heaven if it weren't for the catholic church. I didn't want to get too off-topic, but I understand what you are saying.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
You are actually calling out egotheism not pantheism.
Thanks for your response, please explain this to me... from wiki:
quote: This new age stuff you are talking about seems clearly egotheism that has come from a Hindu culture.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5879 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
GOD is not a religion. Religions are just something men created. They are but Maps, not the Territory. In addition, the fact that one part of a religion might be wrong says nothing about other parts of the religion. All the Maps will have areas where they are accurate, and areas where they are not as accurate. You're quite right... A true religion is not a religion. It is reality. Here is the difference between Christianity and religion. God came to man. It was top down. Sure we can't get there.But He can. Btw, this thread is not about the definition of religion. it is about the fact that all belief systems; all philosophies; all religions; and reality, are exclusive. If you want to prove me wrong, then don't disagree, or you will prove me right.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5879 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Not only that, but I also believe you will never know what you are talking about in this regard because I believe you will never read Spinoza. Who revealed the truth to mankind, Jesus Christ or Spinoza? Matthew 24: 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 15 "So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand--
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