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Author Topic:   The Biblical God Incompatible With Big Bang.
anglagard
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Message 53 of 149 (380272)
01-26-2007 9:36 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Buzsaw
01-26-2007 8:47 PM


Re: the system of heavens
Buzsaw writes:
Secular science must account for millions of systems pertaining to earth and life so as for the ecosystem of the earth and it's inhabitants to dwell. Of course, mainline science thinks it all, including the wonders of such things as DNA just all came about without a designer. You people surely have a lot on your plate to esplain. It boggles my mind that such intelligent folks can even imagine such a possibility that everything observed began via random processes and managed to come about without the design, oversight and work of an intelligent being having enough wisdom, knowledge and power to make it happen.
How would you know?
This is a serious question. It's clear to me that you have no knowledge of geoscience from your previous posts. Have you studied biology, astrophysics, or chemistry? Have you even read one freshman college level textbook on any of the subjects listed above?
I have read the Bible, that's why I know better than to argue over details in the Bible with experts without doing my homework first.
Do you do your homework before pronouncing absolute and total knowledge over virtually all experts in the natural sciences?
After all, libraries are free Buz. Any lack of comprehension may be due to lack of effort.

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anglagard
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 58 of 149 (380299)
01-26-2007 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Rob
01-26-2007 10:57 PM


Mellow Out Rob
Rob writes:
I had no idea how much more there is until I met Christ! and it was far from the easiest thing I have done. It was the hardest, most humiliating, challenging, and pride robbing journey of them all. So don't sit there in your dorm room while mommy and daddy pay your way through college and tell me about putting out an effort you snot mnosed little punk. I could take you for a ride in the muddy mountains of Humboldt in a Peterbuilt that would make you piss your pants you sniveling little city boy! You pompous slobbering bag of goat shit!
Are you sure you don't still have a lot of that pride hanging about?
Also, have you ever gotten around to reading those forum guidelines yet?
Edited by anglagard, : Subtitle

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 865 days)
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 79 of 149 (380521)
01-27-2007 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Buzsaw
01-27-2007 4:04 PM


Re: the system of heavens
Buzsaw writes:
The Biblical record clearly implicates the following:
In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through his providence, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed.
The singularity or 'big bang' as you refer to it is a beginning for time, energy, and boundless space as far as humans are concerned as anything before the singularity is by definition, outside of anything but speculation.
I think the second half of your sentence is what I take issue with the most, depending upon how one may interpret designed, changed, and managed. At what level of micromanagement is this providence operating? Do you believe, as Charley aparently does, that every earthquake, hurricane, flood, disease, or even embarassing public fart in an elevator was and is personally directed by god to punish this or that sin? Do you believe that the planets move, not according to any physical laws but rather because god is personally pushing them along with his invisible hands? Do you believe that the stars exist in a crystalline sphere 'above' the 'center' of the universe, which according to Biblical cosmology, is the Earth? For that matter, do you believe the universe was created specifically for humans and only humans?
I am curious as to your answers to these questions, as it may help reveal your current level of scientific understanding.
Edited by anglagard, : left out 'of' in last sentence

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anglagard
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 95 of 149 (380605)
01-28-2007 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Buzsaw
01-27-2007 10:48 PM


Re: the system of heavens
Buzsaw writes:
Entropy/2LTD energy can be managed by work (ID) as I understand the science of it.
The second law of thermodynamics states that in a closed system things like temperature, pressure, and density equalize over time. Entopy is the measure of how much this process of equalization has proceeded. How does the second law prove any of your speculations?
Why should I question the obvious arrangement of the cosmos as per modern tech to revert to what some believed before tech?
First, the arrangement of the cosmos is a scientific endeavor and is not generally associated with technology, which is applied science. Your sentence should read "Why should I question the obvious arrangement of the cosmos as per modern science to revert to what some believed before science?" Why are you using the term "tech?"
Second, the last time I looked, the Earth was a part of the cosmos, yet you continuously question the obvious arrangement of the Earth in other threads. You even question such obvious arrangement to the point of denying that 'light things float and heavy things sink' based upon the unfounded delusions of, in some cases, amateur guppy breeders and convicted criminals.
The geosciences are not alone in what you apparently dispute as all forms of scientific knowledge cover this small portion of the cosmos known as earth. From what I can gather, you seem to have a problem with all natural science including physics (cosmology), chemistry (radioactive decay), biology (evolution), and geology (everything). This rejection of post-medieval knowledge even extends to denying the principle of isostasy (light things float and heavy things sink). Additionally, you also seem to dispute modern medicine (germ theory of disease).
Naturally, you should be and are allowed to live in your own box. The problem starts when either you, or those of your ilk, demand that all reject the modern world which means poverty, disease, and eventual military conquest by foreign powers in favor of your wild speculations concerning Biblical prophecy. I notice that you dodged the question as to whether or not you have actually taken the trouble to read a single freshman college text in any natural science. How can one pronounce upon the truth or falsehood of any field they know virtually nothing about?
Speaking of science, so far I'm not seeing any scientific solutions to the OP problem posed in message one for our science minded BB Biblical theists. Can you come up with anything more scientific than what we have so far here in this thread to aleviate their problem?
The modern world seems to be a greater problem for you than it appears to be for any Biblical Theists that believe God created the universe , created the laws of the universe, and then allowed such a creation to proceed according to the laws of the universe that God set up. The singularity means that no one can observe prior to that point in time because there is no information. It has nothing to say about any speculative abode of God.

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