Evolution or Creation

Hi Ringo, I did not misunderstand.nator said: Message 91I see instead that you are mostly trying very hard to protect and maintain your faith-based ignorance.Bolded and underlined for emphasisThis is not the first time or first thread that I have seen this statement.So what is there to misunderstand?

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

I won't speak for nator's specific wording, but I think she'd agree with me: Faith doesn't cause your ignorance.There are plenty of people of faith who don't wallow in ignorance. They embrace learning. They don't fear knowledge as a threat to their faith.I think when people around here use the shorthand "faith-based ignorance", they mean using your faith as a shield to protect your ignorance.That usually indicates an ignorance of the basis of your faith, too. Rejection of evolution often goes hand in hand with a profound ignorance of the Bible. Repeating over and over and over and over that you have to choose between evolution or the Bible is not what you do if you came here to learn.Edited by Ringo, : Spellling.

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There may be other paths to god that do not require a literallistic understanding of the bible. Heck! Non christians may not believe in the bible but still believe in god. Even the pope (A christian) has aknowleged that to believe in god and in the theory of evolution simultaneously is not inconsistent.

The Bible says God created everything out of the dust of the earth.

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Gene 2:7 (KJS) And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. {of the dust...: Heb. dust of the ground}

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Gene 2:9 (KJS) And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

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Gene 2:19 (KJS) And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof. {Adam: or, the man}
  —Bible

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If everything was made from the same elements wouldn't they be very similar.crashfrog, I believe almost anything is possible. But I do not believe everything evolved from a single cell life form that no one knows where, how or why it appeared in a Universe that came from a infinitely small nothing that nobody knows where, how or why it came into existence.

That is his problem not mine.

Then your belief in God is based on experience. You had an experience of reading the Bible.The point stands. My beliefs are an honest and involuntary response to experience... as all genuine beliefs are.Including yours.________Edited by Archer Opterix, : punctuation.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

I understand them to mean that my faith in God is ignorance,
And that I should be an atheist.
But nobody will tell me what the benefits would be.
Two have stated there would be no benefit.
Do you have any enlightenment to add?

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Dust is made of silicon; living things are predominantly carbon. Chalk up another loss for the Bible, I guess. No, they wouldn't. A diamond and a pencil are both made from the same element (carbon) but you wouldn't confuse one for the other. Leaving aside how poorly you've described the scientific consensus, the evidence does point to those things having happened. The visible universe was at one time a singularity of infinitely small size, and all living things do appear - to a remarkable extent - to have descended from an original common ancestor.Whether or not you're willing to believe that which the evidence best supports is up to you, I guess. You've already made it clear that you believe things because they make you feel good, not because they're true.

Not really. The Bible says that God created everything by a simple spoken word, REAL Magic, powerful juju. See Genesis 1. Everything was made from the same elements and so everything is very similar. So all you have is an argument from incredulity tied to powerful juju.It is sad. GOD is actually so much greater than the little backyard tinkerer you present.

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How God did it could be that He formed the first single celled life form. God could have just as easily made the physical laws of the universe so that life had to form and then evolve. The soul could have been imparted to our species when we evolved enough to need the concept of morality.The why(purpose) of our existance is not related to the method that produced our existance. Even with evolution being a fact, the why of our existance doesn't change from that stated in the Bible....to bring glory to God.Which would you admire more, a person who builds a car or a person who designs a system to build lots of cars. Frankly, I think God is more glorified by the system He built to produce these myriad life forms that continue after billions of years. But that's just me.A little nit. In message 109 you state that Genesis says all life came from the dust of the ground. I believe you forgot Genesis 1:20 and 21:

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20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

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21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

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Looks like the birds (and bats?) and fish came from the water.

I read the Bible.
From the things I read in the Bible I came to some conclusions.
I then analyzed my conclusions.
I then chose to believe the Bible account of God.
I could have just as easily discarded the idea.
I believe Genesis 1:1So according to you my belief in God is based on experience.I also read the theory of the big bang.
I came to some conclusions.
I then analyzed my conclusions.
I then chose to not believe in the big bang theory of the creation of the universe.
I could have just as easily chose to believe the big bang theory.So according to you my disbelief in the big bang theory is based on experience.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

As I said, you misunderstand.What is being challenged primarily is your refusal to look at the facts.I don't think anybody is trying to recruit you as an atheist. Frankly, if I was an atheist, I wouldn't want you on my side. You have been told: one benefit would be freedom from ignorance and prejudice. Why do you notice only the ones who tell you what you want to hear? Step One: rid yourself of the idea of "God or evolution".When you can understand "God and evolution", you'll be able to find your own enlightenment.

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I did not forget or overlook, as this did not take place in the original creation that took place in Genesis 1:1In the op I point out there was an original creation and then the 7 days of Moses in Genesis 1:2 - Genesis 2:3.If the recorded things God said and did in the day of Creation did not happen exactly as He said that day (all in one day) then God is a Liar, and none of the Bible is true.That would make atheism correct that there is no God.And everyone on here would be correct in telling me that I have wasted a lot of talent and time trying to please my God.

Nonsense.All it means is that the people that wrote those parts of the Bible were human, and the product of their era.

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