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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
The visible universe was at one time a singularity of infinitely small size, Paul Davis writes:
PAUL DAVIES is a theoretical physicist and professor of natural philosophy at the University of Adelaide. He has published over one hundred research papers in the fields of cosmology, gravitation, and quantum field theory, with particular emphasis on black holes and the origin of the universe. What happened before the big bang?The answer is: Nothing. At one time there was nothing. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
At one time there was nothing. Where does he say that? You quoted him saying "nothing happened", not that there was nothing. And neither one of those is the same as what you originally said. Maybe the reason you don't believe it is because you don't really know what you're being asked to believe.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Dust is made of silicon; living things are predominantly carbon. Chalk up another loss for the Bible, I guess. You folks are really making me study.If I remember from my farming days and road building days the dry powdery layer of soil on top of the ground can make a big dust cloud as you traverse over it at a high rate of speed. So I looked up the Elements of Soil.http://www.umassvegetable.org/...ent_mgt/soil_basics_II.html quote: I would like to see how anything could be formed out of that dry powder without water to hold it together.
quote:Nanotech: Molecular Machines Program - Foresight Institute I did not realize I had forgotten so much. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Point taken. Living things are mostly water, yes. Careless on my part.
The components of soil differ depending on where you live, but if you subtract the elements that are there because of the decay of living things (mulch stuff and manure, in other words) then all you have left is the stuff that's basically powdered rock or sand, and rock is mostly silicon - right? If Adam was the first living thing that God formed, then he was formed from rock dust; but rock dust isn't carbon, it's silicon. Right? (The water was already there.)
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
quote:http://filer.case.edu/~sjr16/cosmos_bigbang.html Do Atheist and Evolutionist believe that they cannot know what was before the beginning of everything? crashfrog can you tell me what was before the big bang so called? I declare unto you that God was always there and he made provisions for me to have eternal life before He created the heavens and the earth. I have been preaching this for 45 years. Now in the early 90's we have some scientist that want to do away with the big bang theory and go to a string theory to reconcile a lot of scientific difficulties within the big bang theory.Before the Big Bang This is the only way you can get away from before the beginning there was nothing therefore this universe came from nothing. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
The components of soil differ depending on where you live, but if you subtract the elements that are there because of the decay of living things (mulch stuff and manure, in other words) But you forgot that this was brand new soil it had no decayed living matter as there was nothing made yet except the universe including the earth. To borry a phrase from RAZD Enjoy "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
But you forgot that this was brand new soil it had no decayed living matter as there was nothing made yet except the universe including the earth. Um, no, I didn't forget; in fact I mentioned that specifically, because it's what proves my point. With no decayed living matter, there was no carbon in the soil. So the dust would have been silicon-based. There would have been no way to make a carbon-based Adam from silicon-based dust.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
crashfrog can you tell me what was before the big bang so called? Like it says in your quote, there's no known way that information about conditions prior to the Big Bang could enter our universe. I don't find it a very interesting question, I guess, since it's not possible to answer it.
Now in the early 90's we have some scientist that want to do away with the big bang theory and go to a string theory to reconcile a lot of scientific difficulties within the big bang theory. String theory is a Big Bang theory.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
String theory is a Big Bang theory. As I understand the string theory it is an effort to show what was before the big bang. And there are several theories. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Um, no, I didn't forget; in fact I mentioned that specifically, because it's what proves my point. Message 123quote: If plants get carbon, hydrogen and oxygen from air and water why were they not available to God. You must remember this was the most fertile soil that has ever been. All you have to do is look at all the vegetation it took to make our fossil fuels. All the food it took for the dino's. Wow what a garden I could have grown in that soil. So taking all these things into consideration that I believe my God provided: What would of been the benefit for me to be an atheist? What would be the benefit for me to believe that I evolved from a single cell life form that nobody knows where it came from, how or why it appeared in a universe that came from an infinitely small nothing that nobody knows where it came from, how, or why? "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Only if you take it literally. But why don't you consider the possibility that God is a poet who tells you a nice parable to get his point across? God nowhere in the Bible claims to be a poet. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
If plants get carbon, hydrogen and oxygen from air and water why were they not available to God. We covered this, I thought. They're only in the air and water because plants and animals put them there. Before the evolution of green algae there was no oxygen in the Earth's atmosphere.
You must remember this was the most fertile soil that has ever been. Before the presence of living things, it couldn't have been fertile. One more thing the Bible gets wrong.
What would of been the benefit for me to be an atheist? The truth. To someone who believes things that make him feel good, I can see how that's of no interest to you.
What would be the benefit for me to believe that I evolved from a single cell life form that nobody knows where it came from, how or why it appeared in a universe that came from an infinitely small nothing that nobody knows where it came from, how, or why? It'd be the truth. That's pretty much it.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Forgive me, but you wouldn't know what science was if it bit you on the arse. Do you believe that Biologists just sit around and make shit up? Do you think they just make wild guesses about the nature of Earth's life every day and then knock off early to go watch Wheel of Fortune? Do you think that Biologists are stupid, or incompetent at doing science? Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: That is so sad. Can you really see no Truth in the Bible beyond a list of events?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yep!
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