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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5549 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
What benefit would it be for me to renounce God and creation and embrace Atheism and evolution? The false dicotomy between Evolution and belief in god has already been correctly pointed out by others. There is a second false dicotomy here between Atheism and the god you describe. There is the possibility that there is a god that doesn't care that much about whether you believe in her or not. But that god might care about whether you are an intelectually honest person. "Chosing" not to be an atheist because you don't see any benefit for you on it can be seen as self serving and dishonest. The god I described wouldn't like that, and that could be your damnation.
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5549 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
Well, ignoring the false dichotomy part it is valid. I'm sure he didn't mean that an atheist has to believe in evolution and believing in evolution means you can't believe in god.
Why don`t we let him talk for himself, shall we? Because it sounds as that was exactly what he meant.
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5549 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
But jar I believe they are an accurate account of what happened in the beginning, and then at a later date.
But that flies on the face of the evidence taken directly from the world that those things never happened. To deny this amounts to denying that god`s creation (The world itself) can be understood by the human mind (also god`s creation ain`t it?). Why would god set us that trap?
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5549 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
No one listens to it just as everybody is ignoring the questions I set out in the beginning op.
quote: Your question makes no sense, even if (for your benefit ) we ignore the false dicotomy fallacies in there. The truth is the truth. It's not out there for your benefit. (What a self-serving, small minded, (dare I say anti-christian?) way to look at reality, I must say). But why would you ask that? I think you already know that you cannot think of any good reasons not to believe in evolution. But you're scared of it. You know evolution doesn't necessarily mean atheism, but you're scared it might lead you that way. It's a scary thought, to think that there might be nothing waiting for you after death. If that's the truth, would you chose not to know it if you could?
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5549 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
If you read the op you read that I would not trade what I have for all the money Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have put together. Those are two of the richest men in the world. That should tell you what kind of value I place on what I have at the present.
Who cares about money? do you value it enough to chose willfull ignorance?
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5549 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
That seems like a poor reason to believe. Do you think that God is interested in populating Heaven with people who saw belief as a matter of "hedging their bets"; people who thought they could game the system by professing belief just to avoid the hot place? That's quite a scam you people are running.
That, of couse, is the right question to make. I asked something in that vein earlier in this thread, but got no straight answer. I wouldn't be surprised if you don't get one either. It seems that ICANT stands for I can't deal with hard questions.
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5549 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
have to discard the Bible completely therefore there is no God
There may be other paths to god that do not require a literallistic understanding of the bible. Heck! Non christians may not believe in the bible but still believe in god. Even the pope (A christian) has aknowleged that to believe in god and in the theory of evolution simultaneously is not inconsistent.
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5549 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
How does me stating that God nowhere in the Bible claims to be a poet
Come on, ICANT. You said that the genesis should not be interpreted as poetic alegory, because god does not claim to be a poet. So you are the one saying that he can't be a poet. You've deceided that only a literal interpretation of the bible is acceptable. You are telling us (and god) how to properly interpret his word. An act of hubris.
make me the one deciding what God can or can't be? But you sure can decide what I said even though I didn't say it.Will you please stop putting words in my mouth I did not say?
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5549 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
I said God does not claim to be a poet.
So you concede that the genesis could be alegory. After all god can be a poet if he wants to.
How does that not make Him a poet if He wants to be one and is one? You say that since I choose to believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible I say God can't be a poet. That is nonsense.
I'm gone be nice to you and pretend you mis-spoke
Because you believe it is a poetic alegory you are saying He can't be God. That means you are saying He was a poet and can only be a poet. Now who is telling God what He can or can't be?
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5549 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
What makes you think I am afraid of knowledge? Is that just because I will not accept everything that your God of Science teaches? Your God of Science cannot tell you where the universe came from, how or why. Your God of Science cannot tell you where life came from, how or why. Your God of Science cannot tell you when the beginning was. 14 billion or 20 billion YA or inbetween. Next year what will it be?Or the year after or etc. Yet you want me to believe your God of Science is infallable. Science gives us only partial information, it is true. But the information science gives us is taken directly from god`s creation -- the world itself. That`s the only incontestable source of information about god we have
My God of Heaven says He created the heavens and the earth in the beginning. That He created man in His image. That he created every living thing on earth. That He created man to Love and obey Him by choice. Did your god of heaven say that to you? or did you read it in a book you would have us believe to be the word of god? Sorry but that simply isn`t credable. I thin k it is clear that if is better to have some well founded partial information then some baseless information.
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