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Author Topic:   The Bible was NOT man made, it was Godly made
Rahvin
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Message 196 of 320 (425762)
10-03-2007 11:43 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by gen
10-03-2007 11:38 PM


Re: Let us gently explain
The Bible itself states that it was inspired by God.
'All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness.' -2 Timothy 3:16
I am God. Everything in my post is true.
...see the problem with trying to prove something without outside verification? A book, even a series of collected works like the Bible, cannot prove itself. If the Harry Potter series started with the words "Everything contained in these books is a true story," would that verify the existence of actual wizards?

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Message 197 of 320 (425763)
10-03-2007 11:46 PM
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10-03-2007 11:41 PM


I did not say that each book was written by a different author. Yes, Paul did write a lot of the New Testament, and his writings are some of my favourite and most inspirational in the Bible. As for books that were not included, I believe that they were not inspired by God. Point out for me an inconsistency in the Bible.

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DrJones*
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Message 198 of 320 (425764)
10-03-2007 11:46 PM
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10-03-2007 11:42 PM


The flood DID happen
Nope. But any further arguement on this should go into a thread in the Geology and the Great Flood forum.
Back on topic: you haven't answered my question, the Holy Qu'ran claims to also be the word of God, do you take this claim as seriously as you do the bible's?

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sidelined
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Message 199 of 320 (425765)
10-03-2007 11:46 PM
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10-03-2007 11:38 PM


Re: Let us gently explain
gen
The Bible itself states that it was inspired by God
The bible was written by men stating that they were inspired by God. How do we know they were not lying for their own gain?

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gen
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Message 200 of 320 (425766)
10-03-2007 11:49 PM
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10-03-2007 11:43 PM


Re: Let us gently explain
Nothing you say will convince me otherwise. If we go by your theory, nothing can be proven right or wrong, therefore nothing is right, and nothing is wrong. See the holes?

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Message 201 of 320 (425767)
10-03-2007 11:50 PM
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10-03-2007 11:46 PM


No. Please give me a direct quote from the Holy Qu'ran.

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Rahvin
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Message 202 of 320 (425768)
10-03-2007 11:51 PM
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10-03-2007 11:46 PM


I did not say that each book was written by a different author. Yes, Paul did write a lot of the New Testament, and his writings are some of my favourite and most inspirational in the Bible. As for books that were not included, I believe that they were not inspired by God. Point out for me an inconsistency in the Bible.
Congratulations on ignoring 90% of my post. Like the part about the books being assembled because they agree with each other. By men, not any deity. Or the fact that the later authors already knew about the earlier books (Jews would certainly know the freaking Torah), including some that were not included in the generally accepted 66-book canon (and again, there is more than one accepted Biblical canon, some with as few as 5, and some with many more than 66).
As for inconsistencies - how about the completely different ways Jesus is portrayed in the Gospels? Particularly his final words on the cross. Just off the top of my head.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Message 203 of 320 (425769)
10-03-2007 11:54 PM
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10-03-2007 11:46 PM


Re: Let us gently explain
Lets make a little timeline
4000-1000BC(approximately) - Scripture was written, inspired by God
0-30 AD (approximately)- Jesus lived on earth
30 AD onwards - people who knew Jesus wrote saying that the scripture (written 4000 years ago) was inspired by God

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Rahvin
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Message 204 of 320 (425770)
10-03-2007 11:54 PM
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10-03-2007 11:49 PM


Re: Let us gently explain
Nothing you say will convince me otherwise. If we go by your theory, nothing can be proven right or wrong, therefore nothing is right, and nothing is wrong. See the holes?
Observations can be proven - you can see them. Inferences can be made based on those observations, predictions can be made from the inferences, and the predictions can be tested by further observations. This is called the scientific method, and it's the reason you're typing on a computer.
Do you honestly not see that a book cannot prove itself to be factual simply by stating that it is? If not, why do you not believe every single book that claims to be true? The Koran would be one. There are others. Most of the mutually exclusive.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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sidelined
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Message 205 of 320 (425772)
10-04-2007 12:00 AM
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10-03-2007 11:54 PM


Re: Let us gently explain
gen
people who knew Jesus wrote saying that the scripture (written 4000 years ago) was inspired by God
Again it is people saying this and not God gen. We cannot use the bible
authors as evidence for the veracity of the selfsame words those authors wrote now can we?

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DrJones*
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Message 206 of 320 (425773)
10-04-2007 12:06 AM
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10-03-2007 11:50 PM


Please give me a direct quote from the Holy Qu'ran
Ok
’’’’’ ’’‘’‘’’’’’ ‘’’‘’ ‘’’’’’‘’‘’ ’’’ ‘’‘’‘’‘’’‘’ ‘’‘’’’‘’’’‘’ ’’’’‘’‘’‘’‘’ ‘’’‘’‘’’’’ ‘’’’’’‘’’ ’’’’‘’’ ’’‘’‘’’‘’’ ’’’’’’’‘’’’’’’’’’
16:102
edited to add:
or
’’’’‘ ’‘’‘’’ ’’’‘’‘ ‘’’’’’‘’’‘’’ ‘’’ ’’’’’‘’‘’’ ’’’ ‘’’’’ ‘’’’‘’’ ’’’’’’‘’’ ‘’‘’’‘’’’’ ‘’’‘’‘’’ ‘’’’’’’ ’’‘’’’’’’ ’’‘’’’’‘’’’’ ‘’’’’‘’‘’‘‘’ ’‘’ ‘’’’’‘’ ’’’’’ ’’’ ‘’‘’‘’‘’ ‘’’’‘’‘’’’’’’’
10:37
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Message 207 of 320 (425774)
10-04-2007 12:23 AM
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10-03-2007 11:51 PM


I did not ignore 90% of your post. The books which did not agree were left out because they werent inspired by God. They were assembled by men, who were inspired by God. The authors did know about some of the earlier books, but what difference does that make? The four Gospels were written by four different men, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Some of them knew Jesus, and presented an eyewitness account, while others wrote stories they had heard from others. They were men of different educations-Matthew was a tax collecter, Luke was a doctor, John was a fisherman, and I think Mark was a scribe. So of course each of them would have a different writing style. It's like comparing the writings of a person with a phd to those of a kindergarten student.

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Message 208 of 320 (425775)
10-04-2007 12:27 AM
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10-03-2007 11:54 PM


Re: Let us gently explain
I know what the scientific method is. So do you not believe anything you read just because it says it is true, and you think it is not. Let me introduce you to faith. Faith is believing in what you cant see. Being sure of something that you havent actually experienced or felt for yourself. Our world depends on faith.

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Message 209 of 320 (425776)
10-04-2007 12:29 AM
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10-04-2007 12:00 AM


Re: Let us gently explain
they said that what was written thousands of years ago was true. Another thing-thousands of prophecies in the Bible are coming true TODAY. Anyone familiar with Matthew 24?

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Message 210 of 320 (425777)
10-04-2007 12:29 AM
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10-04-2007 12:06 AM


haha funny something in English if you please

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