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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
cavediver writes: Oh, I have to ask this, Buz - are you claiming you can do this by eye? No, but unlike some, (ahem) I haven't lost half of my logic, realism and sense marbles. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
PaulK writes: Given that space is curved so that a straight line will wrap around and meet itself, how does your straight iron bar avoid meeting itself ? 1. You first need to identify the alleged properties which allow for space to be curved. I go with the ones who think there are no such properties of space capable of being curved. What are they? 2. My hypothetical bar is three dimensional, absolutely straight and unbended. It must be bent to join it's ends. Any engineer will attest to that and zillions of miles will not change that. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
kuresu writes: Quite frankly, I don't know anything about physics, so I stay out of it. Words for the wise, perhaps? Since you're wrong, why can't you admit it? You've just admitted that you really can't be an authority on who's argument is valid.
kuresu writes: ABE:I just realized this was the free for all thread. So that means you don't have to answer and I don't have to comply with you. So if I really, really wanted to, I could make your life in this thread living hell. Go at it, if that's the way you like to get your kicks. After 5 years here, the ole man's skin has toughened up to the extent that your kicks is about all you're going to accomplish by whatever you have in mind. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
DrJones writes: And as usual you'd be wrong. False. I am an engineer and I understand that an infinitly long, straight bar will eventually meet up with itself. Great Doc! You're the man we want. We need you to explain to us here and all the www precisely what properties of space allow for it to be curved. I anxiously await your answer. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
lyx2no writes: You know, of course, that Eddington's 1919 observation of bent space was the first conformation of SR; so those whom you go along with are pretty much nuts. My understanding is that Eddington's 1919 observation was curvature of light rays and not space perse. Did he identify any properties of space rendering it able to be curved?
lyx2no writes: And what the hell is "unbended"? Are there no irregular verbs in your town. Make that not bended. Thanks. I need to clarify that hereafter.
lyx2no writes: P.S.: The bar is not bent — ” that bit is true ” if it were the ends would miss each other. Nothing bends the bar, it follows an absolutely straight line. Hold it! Time again for clarification. Since "line" and "bar" can have different dimensions, let's just say the the 3D bar remains absolutely straight and not bended. Since the "line" can be bent and curved that's not my position which I am arguing. I'm learning here, so bear with me as I fine tune my argument so as not to be obfuscated. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
AdminNosy writes: I don't show a bias when I base my opinion on lots of information that an individual has posted. AdminNosy, with all due respect to your position, you and I will likely never ever agree on anything. Our POVs and ideology are nearly 180 degrees apart 99.9% of the time, so how can you objectively judge my intelligence and capability as an unbiased moderator by making such a statement? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
lyx2no writes: You're asking that he be oblivious, not unbiased. With the majority like you who are of the good admin's persuasion in his amen choir folks of the minority POV who's skin is thick enough to hang in here have our plate full. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
DrJones writes: I'm an engineer, not a physicist. You've already been given the answer by actual physicists that you've ignored. Why should I? you've already appointed yourself the smartest man on Earth, your arrogance will just cause you to ignore the answer yet again. That's two of you, my antagonists, now who admit to having insufficient knowledge to evaluate who's POV is valid. It appears that we're narrowing the qualified opponents to intelligently counter my POVs down somewhat. I'm beginning to see why we're not getting some substantive answers to my arguments. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Perhaps it's good for the physicists and savvy on the cosmos to be confronted by the laity with logical things like this.
Some have admitted that my POV on this topic would make sense to the man/woman on the street, some of who are watching. Perhaps as well, this is a good read so as for the street folk to have an advocate in here taking the heat for them and evaluate whether some of what they think can be defended. Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
AdminNosy writes: As for non biased. It is necessary to protect most of the forum from individuals like Buz who will not "get it" and will consume inordinate amounts of time. If that is a bias you don't like at least you know it is there. At least member folks anxious to jump in the ring here and mix it up, with a feisty adamant opponent, to a red hot bar aren't consuming inordinate amounts of time in boredom twiddling their thumbs or on the streets. Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
DrJones writes: You've been given substantive answers, you're just too blinded by your arrogance to notice. So then since you appear to be aware of the answers I've received, what is the property of space, which allows for it to be curved? Surely I must have missed where that was answered and you could apprise me of the answer since you apparently have read the answer somewhere in this thread. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
lyx2no writes: If the light ray were merely responding to Newtonian gravity (the light ray bending) the deviation from the expected location of the source would be half the size of of the effect caused by the space between being warped (the light ray not bending). Therefore, the two can be distinguished. Curved space won: Light takes the shortest, straightest time-space path, which in a gravitational field is not the same shape as away from the gravitational field. One must be bent. You pick. What possible effect might the sun's light rays emanating from behind the moon have on the star's light rays from the viewer's perspective? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
PaulK writes: The first doesn't even make sense. Ok make that: What properties of space allow for it to be curved? Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Thanks for the heads up, Doc. I've clarified message 61 in a response to PaulK.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
cavediver writes: Buz, are you saying that Einstein and the last 100 year's worth of phsyicists are wrong? Yes or no? Your question is too broad for a yes or no answer. Einstein and physicists covers a whole lot of material. I'm sure I'd agree to much of both and reject some of both. Perhaps for the purpose of this thread it would be interesting to know whether Einstein and 100 years of physicists have identified the properties of space which allows for space to be curved. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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