The Unbended Curved Bar Space Slugout Thread

No, but unlike some, (ahem) I haven't lost half of my logic, realism and sense marbles. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. You first need to identify the alleged properties which allow for space to be curved. I go with the ones who think there are no such properties of space capable of being curved. What are they?2. My hypothetical bar is three dimensional, absolutely straight and unbended. It must be bent to join it's ends. Any engineer will attest to that and zillions of miles will not change that.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

You've just admitted that you really can't be an authority on who's argument is valid. Go at it, if that's the way you like to get your kicks. After 5 years here, the ole man's skin has toughened up to the extent that your kicks is about all you're going to accomplish by whatever you have in mind.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Great Doc! You're the man we want. We need you to explain to us here and all the www precisely what properties of space allow for it to be curved. I anxiously await your answer.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

My understanding is that Eddington's 1919 observation was curvature of light rays and not space perse.Did he identify any properties of space rendering it able to be curved? Make that not bended. Thanks. I need to clarify that hereafter. Hold it! Time again for clarification. Since "line" and "bar" can have different dimensions, let's just say the the 3D bar remains absolutely straight and not bended. Since the "line" can be bent and curved that's not my position which I am arguing.I'm learning here, so bear with me as I fine tune my argument so as not to be obfuscated.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

AdminNosy, with all due respect to your position, you and I will likely never ever agree on anything. Our POVs and ideology are nearly 180 degrees apart 99.9% of the time, so how can you objectively judge my intelligence and capability as an unbiased moderator by making such a statement?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

With the majority like you who are of the good admin's persuasion in his amen choir folks of the minority POV who's skin is thick enough to hang in here have our plate full.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

That's two of you, my antagonists, now who admit to having insufficient knowledge to evaluate who's POV is valid.It appears that we're narrowing the qualified opponents to intelligently counter my POVs down somewhat. I'm beginning to see why we're not getting some substantive answers to my arguments.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Perhaps it's good for the physicists and savvy on the cosmos to be confronted by the laity with logical things like this.Some have admitted that my POV on this topic would make sense to the man/woman on the street, some of who are watching. Perhaps as well, this is a good read so as for the street folk to have an advocate in here taking the heat for them and evaluate whether some of what they think can be defended. Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

At least member folks anxious to jump in the ring here and mix it up, with a feisty adamant opponent, to a red hot bar aren't consuming inordinate amounts of time in boredom twiddling their thumbs or on the streets. Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

So then since you appear to be aware of the answers I've received, what is the property of space, which allows for it to be curved?Surely I must have missed where that was answered and you could apprise me of the answer since you apparently have read the answer somewhere in this thread.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

What possible effect might the sun's light rays emanating from behind the moon have on the star's light rays from the viewer's perspective?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Ok make that: What properties of space allow for it to be curved? Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Thanks for the heads up, Doc. I've clarified message 61 in a response to PaulK.

Your question is too broad for a yes or no answer. Einstein and physicists covers a whole lot of material. I'm sure I'd agree to much of both and reject some of both.Perhaps for the purpose of this thread it would be interesting to know whether Einstein and 100 years of physicists have identified the properties of space which allows for space to be curved.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.