Gay\transgender -- not by genetics, not by upbringing, not by choice

What's the difference, exactly?Aside from the birth configuration of their genitals, what's the practical difference between a transwoman and a woman with XY syndrome? My sense is that you and Oni are a little too hung up on bathrooms, or something.

So what?

Oh, I agree. But what about the people who want their bodies to be modified in a certain way?Choice, you said. I think people making their own choices is pretty important. Nothing. I'm completely OK with people amputating unwanted legs, healthy or otherwise, assuming that it's their choice. How else are you supposed to attach the prosthesis? Sounds perfectly fine. It's completely legal. What, precisely, am I supposed to object to?

I don't see the difference between that and someone who feels that their boobs are too small or their dick is too big. Americans spend billions on elective surgeries. Saving lives aren't the only things doctors do.

By degree, I suppose, but you leave unstated what the exact difference actually is. So I, you know, don't believe you. If it's justifiable as an elective, then it's certainly justifiable as a corrective. And if it is corrective, as you're now willing to admit, then there's absolutely no reason to deny someone the surgery. Maybe. It's really easy for normal people to tell others that you have to play the hand you're dealt. While you're at it, you should throw away your contact lenses and celebrate the natural diversity in visual acuity, don't you think? Who cares if it means you can't drive or read?

And yet the phony assertion that a choice is somehow "harmful" - without any argument put forward in support - is frequently used to deny people choice. There's a greater burden of evidence for arguing that someone's choice is "harmful" than just mere assertion of harm.

But what if it's not, in fact, any sort of masquerade? Being a man or being a woman is a performative act anyway; I don't see any reason why we have to limit the performance to those born with a certain configuration of genitals.

But again, gender is a performance anyway. Acting like a man is being a man.There's every bit as much reason to be suspect of your gender claim, whatever it may be, as there is of a transsexual's. They're equally performative.

Objectively, it's your attitude that is the problem, since of our two attitudes, you're the one who appropriates the right to tell other people what surgeries they can have, regardless of the degree of reflection and assent from the medical community they may have achieved. That's exactly, precisely wrong. Stupidly so. What you are and how you act are the same thing. It's surprising to have to tell an adult that.

What's sick is that this is true. As well as the reverse - with the proper application of abuse, I could get you to swear off titties and love cocks for, like, the rest of your life.The reason not to do this is not that it is ineffective to brainwash someone out of their nominal sexuality, but because it's incredibly corrosive to human dignity and personal sovereignty to sweepingly second-guess the decisions adults make for themselves after deep reflection.

Flat-out for real.Funny to have to tell a cop this. Isn't someone who does criminal acts, by definition, a criminal? Or do you believe that someone just is a criminal, and the crimes follow naturally from that essence?Gender essentialism is just as stupid as species essentialism, or for that matter, any other form of essentialism. What is this, 1850?

Why? Is he acting like a black person? I don't see it - I just see a guy acting like a douche. And guess what, he's a douche! Seems like it proves my point.

That's exactly what it is. Gender is performative, its a set of traits that you evince; you are a certain gender because you perform a certain gender.You might be thinking of sex, which refers to the specific configuration of your genitals.

And that's what you're being asked for - to understand and accept that a woman is a woman, regardless of the birth configuration of her genitals. And that's specifically what you're rejecting. So pardon us if we find your invocation of "tolerance" somewhat hollow, since, in your case, it comes along with all the intolerant bullshit you've been spouting.