Chariots of God (Scripture & Photo Examined)

I think there are other buffoons making the same claims as Scott. Besides, that is not quite the statement that I challenged. Instead I am insisting that there is nothing wrong with proclaiming a gift that some others seem not to possess.

I'm the troll here? ROFL.

I find that reading his statement to say that he is the only Christian Mystic instead of being "a" Christian mystic is a bit of a torturing. That's particularly that because nobody has advanced the theory that nobody but Scott sees dust particles as spirits. Clearly other people do that.But we disagree. No big deal.

This thread was just about dead. I was kinda hoping nobody had any questions, but I guess this is the kind of thread we're stuck with now that we don't have anyone arguing that the moon craters are a Flood artifact.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

The passage in question describes prayers and offerings on behalf of the dead. Nothing about doing works on behalf of the dead. And the context is pre-Christ, Jewish practice. I think you are torturing the text just a wee bit.

Atonement by offering up good works is not a Christian practice. If you want to validate that Jesus did tell you to do that, I would expect that you would quote some thing that Jesus said rather than torturing something he did not say.

We both know that 2 Maccabees 12:43-46 provides no support for good works providing atonement for anyone, living or dead. And we also both know that you are not Jewish. How do we make atonement for the living giving that we no longer make animal sacrifices? What is acceptable forgiveness for your own sins? Did not Jesus answer these questions? Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

I did not challenge you on any of that. I pointed out that nothing in that passage you repeatedly cite says anything about works. Prayer and sacrifice are mentioned. Apparently you have no real argument to the contrary. Surely not.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

With all due respect, I said no such thing. I don't maintain the idea that Catholics are not Christians, and I did not say that 12 Macabbees 12:46 was bad doctrine. Perhaps you would like to try again. But if you repeat your accusation, I won't mince words in response.Here is what I actually said in Message 603Beyond that, I have corrected you several times on what the Catholic Bible actually says.

What you mean is that you don't like my answer.I have answered your question. But to reiterate, as best as I can tell, good works are not atonement for the living or dead, so that possibility is off the table. I personally don't believe that there are dead people floating around that in some state in which they can be saved, so for me the question is moot.What does the Bible say about such things? If you aren't going to use animal sacrifice, you are probably going to need to cite something from after that practice was removed.

Sure bro. Now about those Bible reference that support your claim that your good works serve as atonement for the dead. Might I read those?

Yes, and...

So you don't really have an argument.

I'm willing to accept an argument based on Catholic Apocrypha. But so far, you've not made such an argument. Your faith without works tells us that your own faith should be accompanied by works, but it does not tell us how you are going to do anything for the dead.If you cannot come up with a Biblical argument, can you at least point to some of your Church doctrine?

Contrition? Repentance? Prayers? Whatever you want to make up.Show me where offering up good works is said to lead to atone for anyone, living or dead. Again, absent some purgatory like belief, why would we need any option at all?