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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
If I remember correctly, "Soy" would be used for health, location, or condition.
But it was a long time back!
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
...so you better behave yourselves. Sounds like an evil Santa! You know, the naughty and nice bit. The rest of your post is wishful thinking and nonsense, or worse. Get a grip!Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
No. You miss the point. Those people do not know squat. They would call real orb photos dust. Again, the blind leading the blind. I have shown you a video of real orbs flying. You could see the face of a spirit flying in one of the orbs. You should not need any further proof that the supernatural orb is a real spiritual entity. This obsession with dust is BS. I have seen a number of private films of bigfoot, most of which have never been made public. I've also seen most of the well-known ones, some, like the Patterson film, viewing a 1st generation copy backwards and forwards for hours. I was not convinced. But based on your "orb" criteria, bigfoot exists. Who would have thought!!!???Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Aliens exist. Big foot probably does as well. The point of my post was that photographs don't make it as evidence. There are a lot of photographs of bigfoot, but that gets us nowhere. Now, if you drag back a body with lots of unique DNA and unique bones, then you have something to work with. All you have shown us so far is that your religious belief is coloring all that you see, and is leading you to believe things that have not been established by reliable evidence. At this point the physical evidence for bigfoot is far better than for your "orbs." For bigfoot we have lots of footprints, and even a handprint with dermal ridges. That's tangible evidence that you haven't matched. But even that evidence is far short of what is needed to establish the existence of bigfoot.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Try again. It is not possible to get physical evidence like bones and DNA from a spirit. And a spirit cannot be captured and retained. So you have nothing but belief then? Belief in fuzzy pictures that could be anything? Your evidence is far short of the evidence for bigfoot, and that is far from convincing. Seems like you have nothing but belief to back your claims. That and $2.50 will get you a cup of coffee in a cheap cafe.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Evidence rather than unsupported assertions and unsupported correlations would be a big help. Can you provide any?
And no, scripture is not evidence...Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Without scripture, how will you know what the evidence is? Easy--test it against the real world. See how well it stands up.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Coyote writes:
And without being able to test your belief against the real world--against the evidence--all you have to go on is belief. quote: Not so easy...the evidence is of another world and not this world. Without scripture, you would not be able to understand a spirit such as the Holy Spirit. You are deceiving yourself if you believe otherwise. How do you know your belief is accurate? (Other than belief???) When other believers have different beliefs, how do you discern which is correct? You're back to belief again, with no evidence against which to measure. Pretty sloppy way to run a universe...Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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I saw a hamster in that one elongated orb. Is that a Holy Spirit?
That's wasn't a hamster! That was a gerbil! Hmmmm. Looks like we have a schism in this newly-found sect already. ===== On a serious note, this illustrates the problem that people run into when they don't rely on evidence to decide between competing beliefs, and between those beliefs and the real world. But then you knew that...Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
So, by the standards you are using, this, all by itself, is absolute proof that bigfoot exists?
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
I believe in big foot. There's your problem right there--you "believe." I studied for several years in grad school under the only academic bigfoot expert in the US. I went on trips with him to see amateur films, and looked at all the evidence he had gathered over about 20 years of study. Even after seeing all that evidence I don't "believe" any of it. There is some interesting evidence, which has yet to be explained, but there is no "proof" that bigfoot exists. And belief doesn't enter the picture at all. Seems like you could profit from a healthy dose of skepticism and leave that belief stuff alone.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Broken links.
Shy little guys, eh?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
It is funny how you find me stupid because I know nothing about Photoshop. When, compared to me, you are all stupid when it comes to identifying chariots of God, the Holy Spirit and spiritual things. But Photoshop is real...Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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If you had been following along. you would know that this photograph is real and has not been touched by Photoshop. I could post dozens or maybe even hundreds of photographs of bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, and all sorts of other weird stuff. None of them are "proof" of the claims made. Likewise the dust motes and other Rorschach-test photographs you post are not "proof" of anything but your unwavering and unsupported belief in the supernatural. Your problem is that humans are hard-wired to see patterns where often they don't exist. The following hidden image shows that Rorshchach did not live in vain, and that you can't just assume random patterns have any meaning. (In keeping with this board's good taste, you have to do a "peek" to see it.)
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
You want to see a lot of high-end photographic equipment, look on the sidelines of any professional football game!
Lots of other places the big lenses show up too. They're pretty common now--lots of good equipment out there.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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